[MD] Quick one: causation

[MarshaV]

At 08:32 AM 1/20/2009, you wrote:
> >[Krimel]
> >We temporally removed from any possibility of direct experience of a TiT.
> >It is not just a philosophical issue. If you accept for just a second a
> >strict materialist view you will see that the process of sensation alone
> >creates a time differential. What we sensed is no longer the same by the
> >time we sense it. Perception, that is integrating or deriving meaning from
> >sense data create even more time lag.
>
>Marsha
>In this statement there seems to be a strong sense of independent
>self along with the TiT. Do you not see this or is this independent
>self also something that you think inherently exists?
>
>[Krimel]
>I really don't even understand the question. What do you mean by
>"independent"? Would that be something that has no relationship to anything
>but itself? Nor do I know what you mean by "inherently exists" would that be
>like something that pulled itself up by its own bootstaps? I don't think
>either of these have anything to do with what Kant was talking about.
>
>As Pirsig discusses it, Kant is saying that all we have access to is the
>evidence of our senses, formatted in such a way as to allow us to create
>meaning. We do not have direct experience of an external world. I agree but
>do not think this means that our senses arise independently or that our
>sense have "inherent existence". I think there is a distinction between my
>sense impressions and the interplay of physical energies that give rise to
>them. Experience is a process not a thing. Like most of "reality" it is a
>verb not a noun.

Greetings Krimel,

Without all the but, but, buts...  Not dependent; not depending or 
contingent upon something else for existence, operation, etc.

When an entity or operation is dependent on other, then it is like 
nested Russian dolls.  More so because it spreads like the net of 
jewels.  Only mind can artificially make a stop relative to its needs 
or expectations.   Mind creates illusionary boundaries.  This framing 
may be useful, for science as an example, but is ILLUSION.   .

Subjects and objects are a process not self and thing.


Marsha







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The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a 
reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony without end.
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