[MD] Empirical and Historical

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[Ron] 
> the experience of now is reality. 


  
Craig:
And the experiences of the past too.   Reality is the sum 
of all experiences then & now. 

We have an idea of the past but the past is not just an idea. 

There are REAL connections between the past and the present, 

not just conceptual ones.  Otherwise, we don’t have the 
Grand Canyon or descendents of Adam & Eve. 

Ron:
You make a valid point, I was having this conversation with Krimel and I took
the position that experience is both percept and concept as human beings 
in our western society. Concept is required to undestand and make "sense"
of percept. But, what must not be excluded is that concept is a static social
 interpretation to a large degree, currently one of objective dominance.
Pirsig in the tradition of James posits that autonomic response is "pure
experience" before concept has made sense and interpreted  percept (conceptually speaking) 
That experience of pure response, which is verifyable, has no defineable casual origin
conceptually in MoQ, it is where DQ and SQ (conceptually speaking) meet.
The best MoQ can come up with is the term dynamic quality.
Your point is valid by virtue that experiential reality is mostly defined in a cultural
context, it's mostly what makes reality "real". What the focus of the MoQ is
in the spirit of Pragmatism is in direct experience, when you are in the grand canyon
touching, sensing your environment immediately are you experiencing it's history or the way it
exists as sense in the moment? 





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