[MD] Another parallel

[Joseph Maurer]

On 7/14/09 11:42 AM, "david buchanan" <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:

[Joe]
Hi David,
It¹s been 45 years since I have been in school, so pardon me if I am a bit
rusty.  Imho MOQ has changed the basis of logic from mathematical logic to
evolutionary logic.

I do not know of any car that is based on an anti-grav principle (a
different logic) for propulsion.  All are still based on a motor principle.
The logic for moving around, propulsion, has not changed except maybe in
Star Trek, ³Beam me up, Scotty².

Joe

> 
> Ron said to Platt (and Bo):
> ... I do not understand your meaning. Again, what does that statement have to
> do with teaching the metaphysics of quality in a classroom? what does that
> statement have to do with it being stated in a classroom setting by a
> professor?
> 
> 
> dmb says:
> 
> Well, as one who is currently enrolled at the University of Colorado working
> on a Master's degree in an interdisciplinary program similar to the one Pirsig
> attended at the University of Chicago nearly 50 years ago, I can tell you for
> sure that there are academic professionals who have used their intellectual
> tools to attack SOM. I named a half dozen of SOM's critics, several of whom I
> know personally, which prompted Bo to re-assert the idea that the academic
> world is SOM. That reaction is extremely irrational. I have repeatedly quoted
> attacks on SOM from the text books that were assigned in those classrooms.
> Pragmatism itself, in the last 20 years or so, has developed into two rival
> camps with one of those camps being defined by their insistence that radical
> empiricism is essential to pragmatism. And since radical empiricism is itself
> an attack on SOM, there is now an entire school of philosophy in today's
> academic world that is more or less dedicated to overturning SOM and the
> empiricism of the past. I've produced evidence of this from James, Dewey,
> Hildebrand, Rosenthal and Stuhr. Since the anti-SOM writings have been
> published and are presently being taught in the classrooms where I've been
> sitting, it is just absurd to claim that the Universities must be and always
> are SOM. That claim has been refuted by these counterexamples and Bo's
> response to this counterexamples is to simply repeat the refuted claim. I
> don't mean to be cruel, but man, that's just idiotic.
> By analogy, it's as if Bo had claimed that all cars have an internal
> combustion engine. By analogy, I have refuted this claim by pointing to cars
> that have a different kind of engine by showing him some cars that run on
> electricity. Bo's response to that contrary evidence is to just repeat the
> same claim. Cars can't run on electricity, he reasons, because they all have
> internal combustion engines. But what about all those electric cars that I
> just showed you, I ask him. Nope, he says, Detroit is all about the gasoline
> and always will be. Well, yea, Detroit has a reputation and they had been
> doing it that way for a long time but look at what's happening now, just look
> at these electric cars. They're right there in front of you. Can't you see
> them? Nope, he says, no such thing is possible. But I've been hanging out in
> Detroit and I'm telling you that I drove cars that don't have an internal
> combustion engine. Doesn't that mean that your claim has been refuted? No, he
> says, Detroit only makes one kind of car and that's all it can ever make. And
> if you weren't such a mental midget, he says, you'd understand why its a
> disaster to think otherwise.
> 
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