[MD] Another parallel

[MarshaV]

Joe,

Isn't it strange that Absolute Truth can only be found by discovering what
is false?  I know he would not want to talk with me, but I would love to ask
Werner Heisenberg if he knew that.  What is existence, being?  Not this, not
that?  Where does a tree begin?  Not here, not there. -  And Socrates was
wise to know that he didn't know.  And the Pythia was the wisest woman to
pronounce him as the wisest man in Athens. -  I am?  Not this, not that.
What is Quality?  Not this, not that.  What are you?  Not this, not that. 

Is 'I think' necessary for perception?  Is it?  Is it?  Is it?
Consciousness?  Awareness?  Perception without the 'I think'? 

Was there a sense of 'I' at your birth?  Or did that pattern come later?  

Are those judgments about existence Quality  Are the judgments Truth?  Does
it matter?  Only so far as it leads you to discover the false?  
 


Marsha 
  



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On 7/17/09 1:43 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

Hi Marsha,

Thank You!  You are closer to an awareness of a creation in existence than I
am.  I was present at the moment of birth, but that was a presence at the
first breath, not the first moment of existence.   For that reason I accept
your judgments about existence.

For me  ³I am² defines the undefined ³I think² in the argument ³I think,
therefore I am.²   Imho there-fore is not causal.  I am a sentient defines
the undefined ³I think² which remains perceptual but not conceptual.  ³I
think² is undefined, there has to be an object: ³I think this² for it to be
conceptual.  ³I am² is only perceptual.  I can¹t define myself.

And, of course, I may have that whole thing backwards.

Is evolution a perception in existence? I can¹t define existence although I
perceive it.  I can¹t define evolution although I perceive an ordered
existence I call evolution.

I would guess that Werner is forhadowing perception and conception in
evolution.

Into the hot water from the gitgo.

Imho Joe

> Hi Joe, 
> 
> Indivisible, undefinable and unknowable.
> 
> Once the MoQ is experienced as a symphony, the score becomes only an
> intellectual pattern.  Been thinking about this all day long.
> 
> Not sure about Descartes' "I think therefore I am.", but I see myself more
> clearly when I stop thinking.
>  
> Because of the Uncertainty Principle, Werner Heisenberg is my hero.  You
are
> too, of course.  He said, " Every word or concept, clear as it may seem to
> be, has only a limited range of applicability."
> 
> 
> Marsha


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