[MD] Evolution

[MarshaV]

Hi Joe,

Nothing wrong with conventional truth as long as I don't mistake it for
Absolute Truth.  Evolution is a great conventional truth.  It has a history,
it has changed over time, and will continue to change until it has too many
anomalies to survive. I like to think of everyday experience and
conventional truth like a kaleidoscope. Each shift exposes a different,
astounding view.  But I haven't always been so mellow.  

What's your story Joe?  What moved you to philosophy?  What brought you to
this forum?


Marsha






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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Maurer
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [MD] Evolution



Hi Marsha

I don¹t want the denial or falseness of any truth to be true!   I prefer the
denial of absolute truth to be a limit to perception. I want to know as much
as I can. Am I a star in the heavens? How silly!

I accept that the truth that I know is limited to who I am.   Maybe if I
accept  something as true I can talk about evolution.  I want evolution to
be an order rather than a denial of individuality.

Pirsig proposes that evolution describes reality in four levels.  I accept
that and ask how can I make sense of such a statement?  I will try
³evolution² is an order in existence. How can existence be reasonably
ordered?  Is existence limited? I either exist or I don¹t. I wander in such
either/or dilemmas and go back to evolution.   Evolution is an order in
existence.  I accept that and ask is individuality the same as evolution?
Individuals exist!  So what?  Stop!

I do not accept Ham¹s conclusion that only essence has existence.  There has
to be meaning in Not this, Not that, Not the other thing. Individuality
exists.  Is evolution an order in existence?

Joe

On 7/18/09 12:11 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> Joe,
> 
> Isn't it strange that Absolute Truth can only be found by discovering what
> is false?  I know he would not want to talk with me, but I would love to
ask
> Werner Heisenberg if he knew that.  What is existence, being?  Not this,
not
> that?  Where does a tree begin?  Not here, not there. -  And Socrates was
> wise to know that he didn't know.  And the Pythia was the wisest woman to
> pronounce him as the wisest man in Athens. -  I am?  Not this, not that.
> What is Quality?  Not this, not that.  What are you?  Not this, not that.
> 
> Is 'I think' necessary for perception?  Is it?  Is it?  Is it?
> Consciousness?  Awareness?  Perception without the 'I think'?
> 
> Was there a sense of 'I' at your birth?  Or did that pattern come later?
> 
> Are those judgments about existence Quality  Are the judgments Truth?
Does
> it matter?  Only so far as it leads you to discover the false?
>  
> 
> 
> Marsha 


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