[MD] Another parallel

Mon Jul 20 08:10:07 PDT 2009

Ron,

How would my values become what you think?

Marsha  

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Mr. Ron Insight,

What do you think my value are?

Marsha

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Marsha, Bo,
I would like to know, since you folks think MoQ is reality
and SOM is intellect , MoQ being indefinable, how may it have
more explanitory power if one's focus is on killing those explainations?

Are his books worthless since there are works of SOM?

writing here is then a waste of time and goes against the
indefinability of reality. any thing that is written is SOM
and all concepts being SOM.

why do you contribute if this is how you view the situation
arent you violating your own values? is'nt anything you 
write "not it". why waste words? why bother?

to clarify the point, I do not mean that you should not be contributing here,
I mean, since those are your values, why do you feel the need to express something
that in your own opinion, may not be expressed?

>From my own point of view, if I held those convictions, I would'nt see much value in it
I would think that it only muddies the waters. But perhaps I'm missing something.

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-Ron

curious

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From: david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
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dmb said:
... James refers to this using the phrase "pure experience" or "the immediate flux of life". James says that subjects and objects are "derived" from this or that this "furnishes the material to our later reflection with it's conceptual categories". Pirsig says subject and objects "spring" from this.
Bo replied:
Right, we are now in ZAMM at the stage that followed the Quality epiphany. 

dmb says:
Nope. The particular phrases above (in quotes) come from the end of chapter 29 in Lila. And I'm talking in general about the MOQ as it is presented in both books. Your focus on "the drawing of a diagram of the new Quality-based metaphysics", which comes from the middle of the first book, is a case of arrested development. To ignore the rest of ZAMM and most of Lila leads to more errors than I can count. You say, for example, that this "resulted in the the Romantic/Classic where the former is DQ and the latter is SQ". This is quite confused. DQ is not romantic thinking. It is not any kind of thinking. Classic and romantic would both be classified as static the way Aristotle and Plato are both philosophers, they way Hume and Hegel are both philosophers.  

Bo said:
Not to give you a chance of disappearing behind you academic smoke-screen I leave it here.

dmb says:
Academic smoke screen? I find it very difficult to respect your bias against learning. It seems you are rejecting the very thing that could help you climb out of that old cup of tea, where you've been swimming around in circles since we met in the mid 1990s. What's worse, you seem to be condemning me for NOT swishing old tea around. I mean, from my perspective, you're hopelessly trapped in a static prison of your own making when somebody tries to throw you a life-line you just get angry about it. It's some kind of solipsistic Stockholm syndrome wherein you are the prisoner and the guard. 

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