[MD] Another parallel

[John Carl]

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:41 PM, gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
> hiya,
> i don't think it is about killing the intellect; it is about killing
> intellectual 'noise': the unconscious activity of the mind that is really an
> extrusion of the social level.
> once this noise abates the intellect is empowered.
>
>
I've  sort of considered  the whole nirvana thing as conceptualized by the
western mind of just going into this primal hum to be sort of an infantile
regression that doesn't appeal to me.  Seeking nothingness is just boring to
me.

But the intellectual extrusion of the social level??? That is a really
interesting way of saying "know thyself" - the self being an
intellectualized  extrusion of the social level.    Very cool.

welcome back gav





>
> --- On Tue, 21/7/09, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MD] Another parallel
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Received: Tuesday, 21 July, 2009, 5:13 AM
> >
> > Marsha said to Ron:
> > You are asking questions about your own assumptions?
> > To attempt to answer them would be to give them legitimacy,
> > which they do not deserve.
> >
> > dmb says:
> > On what grounds are you declaring Ron's questions
> > illegitimate and undeserving of an answer? I don't see them
> > that way at all. As you might recall, I basically asked you
> > the same thing and you refused to answer then too. As I see
> > it, he and I are both asking you to explain what looks like
> > an extremely incoherent position. It looks like relativism
> > or even nihilism to me, both of which are a far cry from the
> > MOQ.
> > As I see it, anti-intellectualism is not only incorrect and
> > immoral, it's dangerous. I mean, if someone were to assert
> > one of the intellectual values described in Lila, let's say
> > human rights and freedom of speech for example, do you think
> > it would be appropriate to respond with "not this, not
> > that"? If a new Hitler were to come along would you respond
> > to the opposition with "not this, not that"? The
> > implications and consequences of such a position would a
> > moral nightmare.
> > Despite my disagreements with you, Marsha, I'd be happy to
> > bite you. ;-) Coming from you, that was hilarious. Almost as
> > funny as John's concern with the "overreactionaries".
> > Anyway, I'd ask you to THINK carefully about what you're
> > saying but apparently you don't believe in that sort of
> > thing. It's just outrageous.
> >
> > Ron had said to Marsha:
> > > I would like to know, since you folks think MoQ is
> > reality
> > > and SOM is intellect , MoQ being indefinable, how may
> > it have
> > > more explanitory power if one's focus is on killing
> > those explainations?
> > >
> > > Are his books worthless since there are works of SOM?
> > >
> > > writing here is then a waste of time and goes against
> > the
> > > indefinability of reality. any thing that is written
> > is SOM
> > > and all concepts being SOM.
> > >
> > > why do you contribute if this is how you view the
> > situation
> > > arent you violating your own values? is'nt anything
> > you
> > > write "not it". why waste words? why bother?
> > >
> > > to clarify the point, I do not mean that you should
> > not be contributing here,
> > > I mean, since those are your values, why do you feel
> > the need to express something
> > > that in your own opinion, may not be expressed?
> > >
> > > From my own point of view, if I held those
> > convictions, I wouldn't see much value in it
> > > I would think that it only muddies the waters. But
> > perhaps I'm missing something.
> >
> >
> >
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