[MD] Philosophy and Philosophology

[John Carl]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Matt Kundert
<pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com>wrote:

Perhaps you think I'm talking about being obsessed with consumption and
> greed.  Rather, I'm talking about the fact that our consumerism and greed
> was created by an economic vision that has created an overclass and an
> underclass, and that the overclass would like to continue this situation
> (because they are greedy) and the underclass doesn't have enough money to
> subsist, let alone even get to flex a greed muscle.
>
> I'm not talking about a cultural pattern--I'm talking about being able to
> put food on the table.
>
>
> John said:
> Well I deny the force here.  I don't believe anybody HAS to work as much as
> they choose to.  They prefer to work within the system rather than accept
> the dynamic freedom which comes from being homeless bums.
>
> Matt:
> I'm not sure whether you're trying to be funny or not, but it is a nice
> Thoreauvian thought.  Thoreau spent the whole, massive first chapter of
> Walden talking about work, and the slaves it has made us.  Which is true, as
> far as it goes, which isn't far if--unlike Thoreau--you have kids who are
> hungry and no rich friends who own a pond you can retire to.
>
> Matt



I have friends who live in the city and they have a barn with a pond across
the highway from me where I can go anytime I want.  I used to keep my shop
over there.    And in this country, even the poor people are fat.  Maybe
even moreso.  I think there is more limitation to creative solutions to
living  in people's heads than there are in reality.

And I loved Walden.  My signature used to be Thoreau's "The young man
assemble the materials to build a staircase to the moon and the old man
proceeds to build a woodshed out of them." because I was thinking of going
into the woodshed business.  Lately it's been the wood staircase business
which pays better.

John





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