[MD] John's Reading of Absolute Idealism Confirmed by Bob

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Ian, Lu and Group.  

28 July Ian wrote:

> Hi Lu, I can live with that - I have similar metaphors in mind. "God"
> as the ineffable core of natural processes - Q / DQ as we call it
> here.

Phaedrus regarded the old Aretê reality as identical to Quality itself. In 
the light of the MOQ this "Greek event" must necessarily be the 4th. 
level emerging from the 3rd. and Phaedrus regarding social value as 
good and the intellectual seems contradictory. However, isn't this what 
most of you do - one notch up - regarding intellect as good (wanting 
the MOQ to be an intellectual pattern) while you condemn the MOQ 
(where intellect is a MOQ level).  

> I was actually thinking of those members (like Dave) who see any
> weakening of defenses against personal omnipotent gods as too
> dangerous - and pragmatically I can understand that too. (It was Dave
> who turned the baby / bathwater metaphor against your original point -
> too neatly dividade ing god and faith for me.)

We seem stuck with "religion" in its mono-theist role (Judaism, 
Christendom and Islam) however the old myths were about creation 
and destruction of the world thus they can be called "religions" (without 
quotation marks) but all these are social patterns according to the 
MOQ.  Now, intellect (science) also presents a  "creation and 
destruction" scheme, but where religions always has some god/gods 
premises, intellect's only premises is that there isn't any personal act 
behind existence.            

Lu:

> When I refer to "God", the "Dynamic Quality" that is spoken of here - only
> as an e...entity in and of itself - best describes my concept.

Hi Lu 
Allow me a lecture. Christendom sprang from Judaism which were the 
last and purest "social myth", and as always at that level the individual 
only has value to the degree it's subservient to "the common cause" - 
in this case Mosaic Law. This social value was what Jesus opposed 
(he had picked up the intellectual signals from the Greeks via the 
Romans) "The Law is for human benefit" he said and this was 
outrageous to the high priests to whom Javeh had issued the law to 
test people's discipline, and it sealed his fate. 

Jesus did not appear an outright secular modernist, he spoke in 
traditional terms, and Paul saw to Christendom continuing in this 
Semitic trend for 1500 years, but with the re-birth of the intellectual 
(Greek "spirit") his true intellectual message re-emerged and the rest 
is history. The distance to Semitism widened and now (in North-
Western Europe at least) we have a Christendom which is heavily 
intellect-influenced, I just hope it will become MOQ-influenced and turn 
into out as some some Western Buddhism.  

My point besides flaunting (my) MOQ's view???

Bodvar