[MD] NAP

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Ron:
I have only these quotes, which I agree with, to provide an understanding about
why I think the idea of natural law and MoQ conflict.
by Pierre Charron in his De la sagesse (1601): "The sign of a natural law must be the universal respect in which it is held, for if there was anything that nature had truly commanded us to do, we would undoubtedly obey it universally: not only would every nation respect it, but every individual. Instead there is nothing in the world that is not subject to contradiction and dispute, nothing that is not rejected, not just by one nation, but by many; equally, there is nothing that is strange and (in the opinion of many) unnatural that is not approved in many countries, and authorized by their customs."

And 

"Aristotle 
Greek philosophy emphasized the distinction between "nature" (physis, φúσις) on the one hand and "law", "custom", or "convention" (nomos, νóμος) on the other. What the law commanded varied from place to place, but what was "by nature" should be the same everywhere. A "law of nature" would therefore have had the flavor more of a paradox than something which obviously existed."
 
 
 

 



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From: blue-jay maple <libertytree at mail.com>
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Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 8:55:13 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] NAP


gav:
> how is nap relevant? where does it fit?
> i am not being disingenuous

Nick:
It's the best possible way that I know of to 
minimize conflict.  Since we are social animals, 
this principle conflates with natural law and therefore 
the natural rights of liberty, life (person), and property.  
It is an age old knowledge (just saying this so you know 
I'm not making this up) that natural rights are moral values.  
Yet not all moral values are natural rights.  Natural rights 
are universal and are therefore moral values that are 
natural law.  Where are all the moral values and including 
those that conflate into natural rights originating?  In the 
pursuit of happiness.  When the greek word for this concept 
is understood (cause that's where it comes from), happiness 
means flourishing, quality, well-being.  Do you see what 
I mean now?  Quality is all about minimizing conflict in 
order that all flourishes, and thus for human nature to flourish 
as well.  It is meant in this way:
flourish
verb
1 ferns flourish in the shade grow, thrive, prosper, do well, burgeon, increase, multiply, proliferate; spring up, shoot up, bloom, blossom, bear fruit, burst forth, run riot. antonym die, wither.
2 the arts flourished thrive, prosper, bloom, be in good health, be vigorous, be in its heyday; progress, make progress, advance, make headway, develop, improve; evolve, make strides, move forward (in leaps and bounds), expand; informal be in the pink, go places, go great guns, get somewhere. antonym decline. 

This dictionary mentions ferns and arts.  But flourish includes everything.  Thus it means for society, individuals, life to thrive, prosper, be of good quality.

The telos in flourishing is of good.  Humans telos what is good.  That's what flourishing is about.  I have a paper by a professor 
that discusses this.  I'm actually in a conversation with the professor now about quality and the pursuit of happiness.  People haven't 
seen this side of what quality means and how it fits.  I've been able to resolve a lot of intellectual debates cause I understand quality 
from the moq.  Somehow I have been getting people that disagree with each other, to agree with me and yet I understand quality and 
that's why.  Yet they are using flourishing sometimes, but haven't gone to the depths that the moq goes in explaining it.  Aristotle 
talks about flourishing and how it is a society and person striving for what is good.  He lists in his book on ethics what is thriving and 
what is decay. 

Does this help show you where I'm coming from now?

Nick

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