[MD] NAP

[blue-jay maple]

> > Ron previously:
> > This is the problem, If peoples perception of what those concepts mean
> > change then the concepts themselves have changed.
> 
> Nick:
> Bingo!  They would.  But these concepts have been passed down without
> veering from their definitions.  So these concepts haven't changed in meaning.
 
> Ron:
> Then all should understand "liberty" and "justice" then. Which you 
> say they do not.

Nick:
Natural Law is reasoned.  We are rational animals and reason these principles and rights.  
Just as the natural law of gravity has been reasoned and discovered.


> Ron prev:
> > making "Justice" and "liberty" contextual.
> > If they are contextual they do not have a universal meaning do they?
 
> Nick:
> They do in human nature.  Not universal such as gravity is liberty 
> or just.  I wouldn't even know where to begin on that one.  The natural law of gravity, 
> now what does that have to do with concepts born in my mind?
> Liberty is universal in human nature.  Natural rights do not 
> include animals.  Natural rights are of rational animals.
 
> Ron:
> Pirsig says that gravity is a concept.Goes into great length about 
> it. Same as justice and liberty.

Nick:
Yeap.  They are concepts.  Never said otherwise.

Ron: 
> If natural rights do not apply to all living beings only to humans, 
> then it is only reasonable to assume that they are of human origin 
> and not inherant in nature.

Nick:
I said Natural Law of human nature.  Of humans.  Never said otherwise.

Nick


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