[MD] The New Socialism - Wired Magazine

[blue-jay maple]

Ron,

Politics and economics mix in the U.S. culture.  This is 
why the free market is hampered.  It is centrally regulated 
with socialists.  The printing of money out of thin air causing 
lose of purchasing power of the dollar for one.  Secondly, the 
interest rates artifically lowered and raised is socialists.  It is not 
the free market spontaneously adjusting for itself.  It is social 
planning.  Understand those two activities and you will understand 
why the economy has been messed with creating larger and larger 
bubbles each time they emerge.  Each new bubble is a continuation 
of the old bubble that wasn't allowed to burst and get rid of the 
malinvestments in the market.  Each time the bubble begins to 
burst after Eron, Dot.com, and now housing bubble (to name the recent 
event) the government has stepped in and artifically injected money 
into the economy and has artificially forced the interest rates to go 
up and down - and each time the Federal Reserve and government did 
this.  They did it against what the free market was trying to do - get 
rid of the malinvestments.  So the malinvestments stick around and 
the market grows with more malinvestments on the spread sheets of 
banks and businesses.  So each buckling point, each bubble burst is the 
free market getting stuck by these artificial damages.  The free market 
is trying to flush the system, but it's been not allowed to.  So each new 
bubble gets only bigger and bigger.  The monetary bubble is the biggest 
bubble right now and it's a bit scary if you ask me.  The next bubble 
burst wherever it comes from due to their artifically intervening in the 
free market (making it not operating freely but with coercion) will be 
huge, yet, this bubble isn't even over yet.  All the indicators in the 
economy are not showing any reverse any time soon.  I'm talking about 
the real economy, unemployment, retailers closing up, etc...  Interest rates 
are huge.  I never realized how interest rates have so much to do with the 
economy.  They do.  They do big time.

Nick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "X Acto" <xacto at rocketmail.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] The New Socialism - Wired Magazine
> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 08:50:43 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> 
> > Platt,
> > Yes, not being able to even mount a serious arguement is even 
> > more embarrassing.
> > Last I checked, one of the the rulez of the charter is to discuss 
> > Robert Pirsigs books
> > and his MoQ .
> >
> > This not a forum dedicated to the political views of Platt or 
> > anyone else. You can
> > voice personal opinion or you can back it up with some sort of 
> > relevancy to the
> > MoQ. So far you have been unable to do so.
> >
> > -Ron
> 
> Platt:
> Guess you missed the part in Lila where Pirsig talks about socialism
> vs. free markets. He also talks about human rights and why SOM
> intellectuals are incapable of governing properly (they lack morals). I
> could go on. But the most relevant premise of the MOQ supporting
> Nick's thesis is the nature of DQ:  "It contains no pattern of fixed rewards
> and punishments. Its only perceived good is freedom and its only
> perceived evil is static quality itself-any pattern of one-sided fixed
> values that tries to contain and kill the ongoing free force of life." (Lila,
> 9)
> 
> Ron:
> In it he describes why it has economically failed, by trying to 
> encapsulate a dynamic
> economic quality of supply and demand.
> 
> Thats it.
> 
> Nowhere does he support your political views. Now if you would like to make a
> legitimate arguement for your Political views being supported by Pirsig or the
> MoQ, please be my guest.
> 
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> ________________________________
> From: "plattholden at gmail.com" <plattholden at gmail.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 11:32:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] The New Socialism - Wired Magazine
> 
> On 8 Jun 2009 at 8:20, X Acto wrote:
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