[MD] Perceptions: the deception of it all...

[John Carl]

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Andre Broersen <andrebroersen at gmail.com>wrote:

> John to Andre:
> Simple. I reject the teaching that everything flows from the self, and
> affirm the teaching that the self flows from everything.
>
> Andre:
> Interesting John. So the concept of your 'self' flows from everything. Is
> it
> that this everything is then the totality of your self or are
> you consistently selecting from this 'everything' your 'self' ? (you
> know...analogues upon analogues upon etc etc)
>

Well I don't know how "consistent" the selecting is... it seems pretty
haphazard when you stand back and look at it with a bit of a critical eye.
 At least it does to me.  And I wouldn't call the everything the totality of
my self, I'd say rather my self arises in the context of the everything I
experience.  It's not a real subtle or interesting point.  I'd say it's
pretty much obvious.  Your basic subject/object outlook.  Which is basically
what we're discussing when we're discussing "self".  It's the "S" in "SOM"

I think the main point is in taking the "M" out of the "SO".  Subject/Object
personhood/otherhood is not the metaphysical basis of reality,  it's just a
real cool intellectual toy that happens to work great.  As long as you keep
in mind it's limitations when describing ultimate reality you shouldn't be
embarrassed by it.


> John:
> It is the "gotta" that is a big problem.  When choice is lost, play is
> degraded.
>
> Andre:
> Agree.
>
> John:
> "Only"?   Hey dude;  God is "only" a concept.
>
> Andre:
> ...by which we measure our pain..........?



I guess to be logically consistent, I'd have to say "our pain" is a choice
too.



> What is a 'dude'?
>


"dude" when I use  it is an informal term of comradely wonder, as in, "Dude,
ain't the cosmos bitchin?"



Cheers, hope you had a good weekend John.


> Andre



Dude.  Once again your hopes come true.



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