[MD] my olive branch effort

[gav]

i didn't say what you quoted me as saying.
for the record.

--- On Tue, 9/6/09, blue-jay maple <libertytree at mail.com> wrote:

> From: blue-jay maple <libertytree at mail.com>
> Subject: [MD]  my olive branch effort
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Received: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 11:40 AM
> Everybody,
> 
> I would like to say that I am feeling more safe with some
> of you.  Ron, 
> you helped me feel safe with your very civil discourse and
> understanding.
> We, meaning anybody, can differ on approaches.  We can
> disagreed on 
> government.  So be it, but I think it is best to be
> honest on how events are.  
> Sure some people may tolerate the government and may find
> safety in 
> how it works.  At least I feel a sense of honor with
> that person who can 
> come out and admit their adherence, but don't try to defend
> injustice.  I know 
> that is difficult and it may seem more my personal opinion
> for those that 
> tolerate the government.  But I have taken liberty to
> the radical extreme in 
> deduction.  At least you know that I am for peace and
> I would never IPC 
> (initiate physical coercion), so, at least people can
> surmise that from what I've 
> discussed.  I know I believe in liberty very strongly
> and have reasoned it through 
> to a considered radicalness to some (though I am no more
> radical than all those 
> now and before that took liberty to such extremes).  I
> can't say I am any better or worse 
> for what I pursue, but I think you can at least perceive
> that my effort is born 
> of peace (NAP) and that is my effort in life.  I don't
> think that is bad, I think that is a 
> good event to strive for - to minimize conflict.  So I
> offer the olive branch and I know I 
> have shaken the foundation of what some people
> believe.  I am trying and my 
> effort is born of care and fear.  Yes fear because of
> what I perceive and what that means 
> in conclusion, and I have feared what some people have said
> in this forum.  It has 
> frightened me tremendously.  I am fragile.  I
> just want peace.  I am glad I found some 
> people who have tried to reach out and understand my
> peaceful intentions instead of 
> some others who I see as very dangerous in their irrational
> dismissal (Krimel and dmb).  
> 
> Arlo:  I highly respect your pursuance.  I love
> how you really feel strongly about something 
> you believe in.  You are a very principled person and
> I can see you don't compromise in 
> what you believe in.  I greatly admire that.  And
> I thank you.
> 
> M K:  I am happy you stepped forward to greet me.
> 
> Platt:  I know in your heart you truly want freedom
> and you fear in great length because 
> you care greatly.  Your heart is full of love.  I
> thank you from the bottom of my heart!
> 
> Marsha:  You are a strong woman with unbounding
> care.  You have really been very beautiful 
> in your approach.  I thank you.
> 
> Ron:  You are very brave and open-minded.  You
> dived into what many shuttered and scattered 
> from out of fear and extreme caution.  I charged in
> here like a raging buffalo and you met me 
> with a tender heart that helped ease my fear.  If you
> see it from my perspective as I think you, 
> Ron, have been able to.  I think you might see my fear
> and why I have said bluntly that I think 
> other people are dangerous.  I think it is mainly a
> huge shift for people and I did come in here 
> very strongly in what I feel deeply about - peace. 
> Ron in my running fear and thus my preconceptual 
> distrust right off the bat due to how I saw people not
> understanding me and dismissing the NAP.  
> And since the NAP means peace, then can anybody really
> question my fear and possible confusion 
> on why would people reject peace?  I am a wild horse
> at times Ron, but you are a good hearted 
> person and I can see trust in your heart through your
> posts.  It helped me settle down amidst the 
> barrage of posts bashing me without trying to have
> discourse on what I meant.  When I say somebody 
> is a criminal I am merely pointing out an example on the
> intellectual exercise of what they are concluding.  
> It does not mean they want to be a criminal or
> murderer.  I am intellectual showing the boundaries 
> of an innocent person who is trying to minimize conflict
> and somebody that may not recognize the 
> boundaries of their actions.  Ron thank you for being
> civil.
> 
> Andre:  Your intentions are present, but you seem to
> not take the time to figure out what somebody 
> else means.  This is all an intellectual exercise and
> I am pointing out the boundaries in human action.  
> For me to say you are an idiot, murderer, and criminal is a
> cynic move out of distrust cause I didn't see 
> you try to care expect in a few instances.  I'm sorry,
> please don't think that I'm saying anything outside 
> of an intellectual exercise.  I am merely pointing out
> boundaries.
> 
> gav:  I'm am greatly appreciative of you.  I
> think you were one of the first to make an attempt to try 
> to reason with me.  You asked questions and saw the
> questions and answers as an intellectual discourse.  
> The topics of justice, crime, and liberty in any law
> classroom are difficult for people to handle
> sometimes.  
> It might shake them up to look into the eyes of what
> somebody may never have peered into before.  But 
> you are well prepared and reasonable.  I honor your
> effort to help bridge the intellectual discourse.  I 
> Thank You.
> 
> Ian:  I think you have a difficult time knowing what
> an intellectual exercise is and what is try about
> life.  You 
> seem beaten like a dog and tired.  I wish I could be
> there in person cause it wouldn't be so bad to talk about 
> these things if we saw each others faces.  I really
> wasn't trying to condemn you.  I wasn't doing the run
> around.  
> I think a tremendous amount of talking past each other
> happened.  I feel sad that the conversation became 
> challenging.  It is not everyday that misery is upon
> our ears.  I'm sorry.
> 
> John:  I don't know you much but you seem like a fun
> person.  I am so happy you tried to reason with me
> too.  
> You seem like a cool guy to hang out with.
> 
> I really hope I didn't miss anybody else from the
> discussion.  dmb and Krimel are still assholes for what
> they said.  
> They are gloriously arrogant.  They are basket cases
> of mistrust in my opinion.  I feel empathy for them,
> but I am 
> also very fearful and do not trust them at all.  Their
> lack of care to reason makes me wonder how far they would 
> go if we were actually close by each other physically.
> 
> So thank you for those that have tried to help me feel
> comfortable and have taken the time to have a civil
> discourse.  
> 
> 
> peace
> 
> Nick  
> 
> 
> 
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