[MD] my olive branch effort

blue-jay maple libertytree at mail.com
Mon Jun 8 20:04:08 PDT 2009 

gav:
> i didn't say what you quoted me as saying.
> for the record.

Nick:
Oh Lord.  I didn't quote anybody in this post.  What are you 
talking about?

Nick


> 
> --- On Tue, 9/6/09, blue-jay maple <libertytree at mail.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: blue-jay maple <libertytree at mail.com>
> > Subject: [MD]  my olive branch effort
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Received: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 11:40 AM
> > Everybody,
> >
> > I would like to say that I am feeling more safe with some
> > of you.  Ron, you helped me feel safe with your very civil discourse and
> > understanding.
> > We, meaning anybody, can differ on approaches.  We can
> > disagreed on government.  So be it, but I think it is best to be
> > honest on how events are.  Sure some people may tolerate the 
> > government and may find
> > safety in how it works.  At least I feel a sense of honor with
> > that person who can come out and admit their adherence, but don't 
> > try to defend
> > injustice.  I know that is difficult and it may seem more my personal opinion
> > for those that tolerate the government.  But I have taken liberty to
> > the radical extreme in deduction.  At least you know that I am for peace and
> > I would never IPC (initiate physical coercion), so, at least people can
> > surmise that from what I've discussed.  I know I believe in 
> > liberty very strongly
> > and have reasoned it through to a considered radicalness to some 
> > (though I am no more
> > radical than all those now and before that took liberty to such extremes).  I
> > can't say I am any better or worse for what I pursue, but I think 
> > you can at least perceive
> > that my effort is born of peace (NAP) and that is my effort in life.  I don't
> > think that is bad, I think that is a good event to strive for - 
> > to minimize conflict.  So I
> > offer the olive branch and I know I have shaken the foundation of 
> > what some people
> > believe.  I am trying and my effort is born of care and fear.  
> > Yes fear because of
> > what I perceive and what that means in conclusion, and I have 
> > feared what some people have said
> > in this forum.  It has frightened me tremendously.  I am fragile.  I
> > just want peace.  I am glad I found some people who have tried to 
> > reach out and understand my
> > peaceful intentions instead of some others who I see as very 
> > dangerous in their irrational
> > dismissal (Krimel and dmb).  Arlo:  I highly respect your pursuance.  I love
> > how you really feel strongly about something you believe in.  You 
> > are a very principled person and
> > I can see you don't compromise in what you believe in.  I greatly 
> > admire that.  And
> > I thank you.
> >
> > M K:  I am happy you stepped forward to greet me.
> >
> > Platt:  I know in your heart you truly want freedom
> > and you fear in great length because you care greatly.  Your 
> > heart is full of love.  I
> > thank you from the bottom of my heart!
> >
> > Marsha:  You are a strong woman with unbounding
> > care.  You have really been very beautiful in your approach.  I thank you.
> >
> > Ron:  You are very brave and open-minded.  You
> > dived into what many shuttered and scattered from out of fear and 
> > extreme caution.  I charged in
> > here like a raging buffalo and you met me with a tender heart 
> > that helped ease my fear.  If you
> > see it from my perspective as I think you, Ron, have been able 
> > to.  I think you might see my fear
> > and why I have said bluntly that I think other people are 
> > dangerous.  I think it is mainly a
> > huge shift for people and I did come in here very strongly in 
> > what I feel deeply about - peace. Ron in my running fear and thus 
> > my preconceptual distrust right off the bat due to how I saw 
> > people not
> > understanding me and dismissing the NAP.  And since the NAP means 
> > peace, then can anybody really
> > question my fear and possible confusion on why would people 
> > reject peace?  I am a wild horse
> > at times Ron, but you are a good hearted person and I can see 
> > trust in your heart through your
> > posts.  It helped me settle down amidst the barrage of posts 
> > bashing me without trying to have
> > discourse on what I meant.  When I say somebody is a criminal I 
> > am merely pointing out an example on the
> > intellectual exercise of what they are concluding.  It does not 
> > mean they want to be a criminal or
> > murderer.  I am intellectual showing the boundaries of an 
> > innocent person who is trying to minimize conflict
> > and somebody that may not recognize the boundaries of their 
> > actions.  Ron thank you for being
> > civil.
> >
> > Andre:  Your intentions are present, but you seem to
> > not take the time to figure out what somebody else means.  This 
> > is all an intellectual exercise and
> > I am pointing out the boundaries in human action.  For me to say 
> > you are an idiot, murderer, and criminal is a
> > cynic move out of distrust cause I didn't see you try to care 
> > expect in a few instances.  I'm sorry,
> > please don't think that I'm saying anything outside of an 
> > intellectual exercise.  I am merely pointing out
> > boundaries.
> >
> > gav:  I'm am greatly appreciative of you.  I
> > think you were one of the first to make an attempt to try to 
> > reason with me.  You asked questions and saw the
> > questions and answers as an intellectual discourse.  The topics 
> > of justice, crime, and liberty in any law
> > classroom are difficult for people to handle
> > sometimes.  It might shake them up to look into the eyes of what
> > somebody may never have peered into before.  But you are well 
> > prepared and reasonable.  I honor your
> > effort to help bridge the intellectual discourse.  I Thank You.
> >
> > Ian:  I think you have a difficult time knowing what
> > an intellectual exercise is and what is try about
> > life.  You seem beaten like a dog and tired.  I wish I could be
> > there in person cause it wouldn't be so bad to talk about these 
> > things if we saw each others faces.  I really
> > wasn't trying to condemn you.  I wasn't doing the run
> > around.  I think a tremendous amount of talking past each other
> > happened.  I feel sad that the conversation became challenging.  
> > It is not everyday that misery is upon
> > our ears.  I'm sorry.
> >
> > John:  I don't know you much but you seem like a fun
> > person.  I am so happy you tried to reason with me
> > too.  You seem like a cool guy to hang out with.
> >
> > I really hope I didn't miss anybody else from the
> > discussion.  dmb and Krimel are still assholes for what
> > they said.  They are gloriously arrogant.  They are basket cases
> > of mistrust in my opinion.  I feel empathy for them,
> > but I am also very fearful and do not trust them at all.  Their
> > lack of care to reason makes me wonder how far they would go if 
> > we were actually close by each other physically.
> >
> > So thank you for those that have tried to help me feel
> > comfortable and have taken the time to have a civil
> > discourse.  peace
> >
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