[MD] my olive branch effort

[blue-jay maple]

> > Nick:
> > Ian, are you saying here you prefer me to be Ad Hominem?  Ok, so my sincere
> > personal opinion is a "no win game".  Ian, you're one opposite person.

Ian: 
> No I am saying exactly the opposite. It is the only rule worth
> "enforcing" - even by self discipline - in my opinion (and
> incidentally its the ony rule ever enforced by Horse).

Nick:
Oh, on the internet the only rule "worth enforcing".  Ian I would like to chat 
with you before we get into anything too much.  :-)  I have a difficult time 
understanding you sometimes.  I'm sorry it's my fault.

Ian:
> The aggression you expressed to me presonally (and subsequent olive
> branch) is water of a duck's back ... I can move on. I was pointing
> out it was a no-win game (for you) in the sense that even when you do
> apparently sincerely express inter-personal views (even positive
> ones), others (gav, MK so far) object.

Nick:
gav didn't object, he misunderstood.  M K, needs love and feels left out.  I 
can't help that.  What about my feelings Ian?  I've had to buck it up to 
people not even trying for the most part.  People not understanding the 
way I do an intellectual exercise, and people not trying for the most part 
to understand how I'm approaching this.  Ron did an excellent job in going 
through the intellectual exercise with me, but Ron has always had a big 
heart when it comes to dealing with other people.  I'm not trying to downplay 
the approach of others (except I noted in this olive branch post), but I come 
into this forum and right away for my position I get attacked without a soft, 
sincere effort to understand what I'm saying.  I called people criminals and 
murderers, but that was boundary setting of the intellectual discourse.  It 
is pointing out where the lines are in our actions.  As I've said we need not get 
into that anymore.  I came into this forum with a clear perspective of law, and 
I got responses that were very dangerous in my perspective.  But who cares 
what I experienced... I'll move on.

Ian: 
> My objection to the ad hominem - to anyone - is the distracting
> irrelevant unproductive "noise" it generates. As I must have said a
> hundred times - life's too short.

Nick:
I can respect that.  I really can't argue against that.  We can turn this 
into a philosophical discussion:
   Did you ever hear of the Zen monks hitting their students with a stick while 
they zazen?  Have you ever heard of the cynics from ancient greece?
 
Nick


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