[MD] Coerce me? How?

[blue-jay maple]

Ron,
You don't need to appeal to a Creator for natural rights.  They are 
as natural as physics.
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> From: "X Acto" <xacto at rocketmail.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Coerce me? How?
> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:26:13 -0700 (PDT)
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> Platt,
> "endowed by their creator" do we have a "creator"?
> 
> while I do respect the ideal of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,
> you however seem not to, per your previous posts you seem to think 
> that civil rights is "slouching
> toward Gomorrah" and per Bork, the reason why western civilisation
> is on the decline.
> 
> how do you plead?
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> ________________________________
> From: "plattholden at gmail.com" <plattholden at gmail.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 3:06:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Coerce me? How?
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> On 9 Jun 2009 at 12:48, Arlo Bensinger wrote:
> 
> > "Rights", including "property rights", are not "natural", they 
> > are "intellectual". And as intellectual patterns they derive from 
> > the culture from whence they came. Socially we craft civil 
> > governance in accord with our intellectual patterns, to give them 
> > legitimacy and authority. "Rights" derive from man, not the 
> > natural world.
> 
> "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
> that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
> that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That
> to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving
> their just powers from the consent of the governed."
> 
> -- Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776
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