[MD] Coerce me? How?

[X Acto]

Nick:
Sure Arlo.  People thought of natural rights - well - naturally.
Plain and simple.
But if you want to test them and try to murder and steal I've got 
something here with your name on it.

In a civil society we do it peacefully and reasonably or 
we settle it with good ole' fashion self-defense.  Here's 
my gun.  It's ready.

I got my gun ready Arlo.

Ron:
Nick, You are against capital punishment yet you threaten to kill Arlo.
Question:
If Arlo threatened to shoot you first would you consider it "lawful" for you to
shoot him first?





 



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From: blue-jay maple <libertytree at mail.com>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 3:36:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Coerce me? How?

Nick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arlo Bensinger" <ajb102 at psu.edu>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Coerce me? How?
> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:26:30 -0400
> 
> 
> [Platt]
> Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776
> 
> [Arlo]
> So spaketh slave owners and protagonists of genocide against the 
> indigenous peoples. If they wrote "leprechauns exist", I suppose 
> you'd believe in them.
> 
> "And yet, although Jefferson called this doctrine of social 
> equality "self-evident," it is not at all self-evident. Scientific 
> evidence and the social evidence of history indicate the opposite 
> is self-evident. There is no "self-evidence" in European history 
> that all men are created equal. There's no nation in Europe that 
> doesn't trace its history to a time when it was "self-evident" that 
> all men are created unequal. Jean Jacques Rousseau, who is 
> sometimes given credit for this doctrine, certainly didn't get it 
> from the history of Europe or Asia or Africa. He got it from the 
> impact of the New World upon Europe and from contemplation of one 
> particular kind of individual who lived in the New World, the 
> person he called the "Noble Savage." (Pirsig)
> 
> He got it from CONTEMPLATION. It's an intellectual pattern. And 
> these derive from culture.
> 
> Plain and simple.
> 
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