[MD] Coerce me? How?

[X Acto]

Platt:
Yes, but who or what created nature?

Ron:
Who or what created Quality?



 



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From: "plattholden at gmail.com" <plattholden at gmail.com>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 4:56:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Coerce me? How?

On 9 Jun 2009 at 14:33, blue-jay maple wrote:

> Ron,
> You don't need to appeal to a Creator for natural rights.  They are 
> as natural as physics.

Nick: 






> > Platt,
> > "endowed by their creator" do we have a "creator"?
> > 
> > while I do respect the ideal of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,
> > you however seem not to, per your previous posts you seem to think 
> > that civil rights is "slouching
> > toward Gomorrah" and per Bork, the reason why western civilisation
> > is on the decline.
> > 
> > how do you plead?
> > 

________________________________
> > From: "plattholden at gmail.com" <plattholden at gmail.com>
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 3:06:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MD] Coerce me? How?
> > 
> > On 9 Jun 2009 at 12:48, Arlo Bensinger wrote:
> > 
> > > "Rights", including "property rights", are not "natural", they 
> > > are "intellectual". And as intellectual patterns they derive from 
> > > the culture from whence they came. Socially we craft civil 
> > > governance in accord with our intellectual patterns, to give them 
> > > legitimacy and authority. "Rights" derive from man, not the 
> > > natural world.
> > 
> > "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
> > that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
> > that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That
> > to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving
> > their just powers from the consent of the governed."
> > 
> > -- Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

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