[MD] An Observation From An Outsider

[plattholden at gmail.com]

On 10 Jun 2009 at 19:23, X Acto wrote:

> Platt,
> Jailed, you silly man. when did jail come into it?

How do you think laws are enforced? 

> what liberals call political correctness
> is what your generation called having some manners in public. did you talk like a sailor on leave in front of your girl or her freinds? heck no! you would'nt get laid......

Your right except liberals coerce compliance with what they consider 
politically correct by legislating speech codes in schools and workplaces. 
There's a big difference between losing out with a date and losing a job.
PC is a back door attack on free speech. Hate speech laws are an overt 
attack on free speech.
 
> terrorists is a broad general term, covers alot. Terrorism is a better way to hate,
> thats an idea worthy of some fuckin hate, and I'm all with you. Individual people?
> dunno Platt. but the idea of terrorism I'm all friggin with ya freind.

A terrorist is someone who engages in terrorism, disguising himself as a 
civilian, strapping on a bomb and blowing himself up in a crowded 
market, deliberately killing dozens if not hundreds of noncombatants. In 
the case of 9/11, terrorists hijacked airplanes and killed over 3,000. So 
yes, I hate terrorists. 

But, what is your answer to my question? :Does someone violate a hate 
speech law if he expresses hatred of terrorists in public like I just did?


 
> ________________________________
> From: "plattholden at gmail.com" <plattholden at gmail.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:29:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] An Observation From An Outsider
> 
> On 10 Jun 2009 at 9:47, X Acto wrote:
> 
> > Ron:
> > How exactly is the Gov. going to police your thoughts?
> 
> By enforcing hate speech laws with fines and/or jail terms.    
> 
> > I think thoughts about hating individuals or groups of individuals is an individual
> > right, expressing those thoughts in literature or oration in public places is not
> > a right. That is the line drawn, the public expression of the hatred of individuals
> > or groups of individuals.
> > 
> > Again, how is this unclear?
> 
> Very clear. The problem is that your opinion not only abridges free 
> speech but raises the issue of what constitutes "hate speech." 
> 
> > If you want to get together with like minded individuals, on private property
> > and speak about the hatred of certain indiviuals or groups of individuals
> > you are free to do so.
> > 
> > How is this unclear?
> 
> So it's OK to express hatred of terrorists privately but anyone who does 
> so publicly should be jailed? Is that your position? 
 

> > > ________________________________
> > > From: "plattholden at gmail.com" <plattholden at gmail.com>
> > > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:34:43 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [MD] An Observation From An Outsider
> > > 
> > > On 10 Jun 2009 at 8:25, X Acto wrote:
> > > 
> > > > He did already Platt, 
> > > > "hate speech against
> > > > > specific individuals or groups of individuals." 
> > > > 
> > > > differs from hate speech about  ideas.
> > > > 
> > > > See what I mean about reading what is written and jumping to conclusions?
> > > > 
> > > > -Ron
> > > 
> > > So is it your idea that someone can speak without having any idea of 
> > > what she is saying? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: "plattholden at gmail.com" <plattholden at gmail.com>
> > > > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:15:39 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [MD] An Observation From An Outsider
> > > > 
> > > > On 10 Jun 2009 at 17:03, Andre Broersen wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Platt to Andre:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Does your country have a law against hate speech? If so, do you support it?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Andre:
> > > > > In Holland we enjoy freedom of speech and the hate may be expressed against
> > > > > any IDEA circulated. (recent verdict of the high court). This I fully
> > > > > support. The story is different when one begins to spout hate speech against
> > > > > specific individuals or groups of individuals.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Nice diversion and good try but do answer the questions posed Platt.
> > > > 
> > > > So you do support hate speech laws? Right?
> > > > 
> > > > Can you explain the difference between an idea spoken and a hateful 
> > > > idea spoken? 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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