[MD] Free speech

[MarshaV]

Hi Ron,

And isn't this the problem of many types patterns.  So running on 
automatic are these patterns that a fresh evaluation of an 
experience/event is never considered.  What was liberating for me was 
to understand the nature of all patterns, and letting them take 
second place importance whenever possible.  When caught in a 
difficult pattern-loop, it becomes easier to label it 'conceptually 
constructed pattern', drop it, and move on for a more direct 
experience.   I find the sweeping dismissal works far better than 
trying to combat every instance.


Marsha








At 08:07 AM 6/12/2009, you wrote:
>John,
>You bring up an interesting point, are we in fact promoting 
>legislating the words
>or the act of threates and intimidation which may include words.
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>What do you do with people locked in thought traps, burning in 
>hatred and fear?  I still
>catch myself obsessing about things.
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>I'll invent scenerios in my mind  getting me emotionally charged 
>which sets the tone for how I approach expereince.
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>People have the power to infuence expereince and most are not aware 
>of it. An ability
>undisciplined, unrecognized and misunderstood in our culture.
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>________________________________
>From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:03:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [MD] Free speech
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>Interesting right now with a holocaust denier so much in the news...
>What it has led me to wonder is the proper role of ostracism.  If we deny
>the hater his speech, isn't that just more likely to force him into action?
>Since this thread began with Nick, it's relevant to wonder if we don't
>scapegoat others as a way of making ourselves look better, building group
>unity in the name of ostracising whereas the higher quality way would be to
>refine our intellectual tools of persuasion in the hopes that the lost might
>be saved.
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>John the saintly sounding
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>On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:54 PM, <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Ron,
> >  So I would not shout
> > down and otherwise prevent a Holocaust denier from speaking on
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