[MD] Reductionism

[gav]

krimel,
marsha's point is that women are generally more in touch with immediate reality. things like childbirth only strengthen this connection. something we men cannot experience and should hold in awesome fucking respect you insolent bitch. got a mum?

i had a bath with my girfriend bel in a beautiful bath in a beautiful bathroom in a beautiful house of a beautiful lady (lucy?) after the MOQ conference after-party in liverpool in 2005. earlier i had ingested some fungal sacrament. in the bath i was uber-relaxed and centred and quiet and aware of my beautiful partner opposite: and i had a flash of insight: women know how to live better than men but men don't listen to them!

i relayed this to bel, relatively excited. her mute reaction spoke volumes but could be pithily summarised as 'isn't that obvious'.

women live longer.



--- On Sun, 14/6/09, Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com> wrote:

> From: Krimel <Krimel at Krimel.com>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Reductionism
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Received: Sunday, 14 June, 2009, 6:04 AM
> >[Marsha]
> >While you are busy patting yourself on the back, I
> notice many
> >peoples (women and children) in the world are starving
> and dying, and
> >many others (men) are fighting and killing each other
> for power to
> >decide on which filters will define "reality". 
> The whole thing seems
> >a failure.
> >
> >[Krimel]
> >Assigning Quality on the basis of gender makes about as
> much sense to me as
> >measuring it via body count. Is that what that makes it
> easier for you to
> >see nothing but failure.
> 
> Marsha
> I get very few opportunities to find the mother's voice
> inside of 
> me.  You may not understand what I am about to
> suggest, but so be 
> it.  Do you think women, who has developed and carried
> in their womb 
> for nine months, nursed, nurtured and taught a child, or
> many 
> children, might assign quality different from a man?
> Because I tell 
> you that when I see a mother, even on the television, with
> a dead and 
> blood smeared child in her arms, or holding an emaciated
> starving 
> baby, I experience great pain.  I suggest to you that
> women DO assign 
> quality in a different way than men.
> 
> [Krimel]
> I was tempted to just dismiss this as whiney crap. But on
> reflection is
> seemed more like stupid whiney craps so I decided to
> address it. Do women
> see things differently than men? 
> Duh? 
> Yes!
> 
> Do children see things differently than adults? 
> Do Americans see things differently than the French? 
> Does they guy over there see things differently that that
> other guy over
> there? 
> 
> These are stupid questions. 
> Of course people see things differently.
> Everybody assigns Quality differently than everybody else.
> 
> Marsha
> The type of failure I sighted above is much bigger, and
> makes puny 
> the success of the computer or going to the moon.  And
> that 
> understanding makes women a superior judge of
> quality.    
> 
> [Krimel]
> I would think that as a mother you would be grateful for
> the technology that
> helped make sure you and your infant didn't died in
> childbirth. I do tend to
> see that as an improvement more significant than the
> computer. But I am a
> glass half full kind of guy.
> 
> 
> imho
> 
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> _____________
> 
> "He who neglects the present moment throws away all he
> has."
>    (Friedrich von Schiller)
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