[MD] Why the quality of the modern world is no good.

[MarshaV]

Hey Ron,

The reason I ask is because I heard this great interview with Eric 
Fischl, CBC Ideas (11/16/08), who stated something like that.  First 
I was shocked that he thought that was the role of an artist: to 
promote pain; and second, that he thought change only happened 
because of suffering.


Marsha





At 10:44 AM 6/25/2009, you wrote:

>Ron,
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>I'm curious...  Do you think it is the role of the artist to make 
>culture uncomfortable?  Maybe to emphasis  suffering and to promote change?
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>Marsha
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>At 10:17 AM 6/25/2009, you wrote:
>>Platt,
>>Interesting, I think what modern artists have done, since cubism, is
>>challenge the ideal of what beauty is. True, we all value beauty but
>>what is beautiful is being brought into question, challenging static
>>patterns of value.
>>I think what we see is not a degenerate form of beauty, but the results
>>of the intellectual disconnect of value in an objectivly dominated society.
>>The back lash of victorian attitudes of absolutism in objective forms.
>>(Is'nt it nice how MoQ explains this?)
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>>As an Artist myself, the value of "shock Art" has become passe in my own
>>and several of my peers opinions.
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>>-Ron
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>>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
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>>Subject: [MD] Why the quality of the modern world is no good.
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>>All:
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>>In Chapter 22 of Lila, Pirsig laments the lack of quality in modern life:
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>>"In the time that Phaedrus grew up, intellect was dominant over
>>society, but the results of the new social looseness weren't turning out as
>>predicted. Something was wrong. The world was no doubt in better
>>shape intellectually and technologically but despite that, somehow, the
>>"quality" of it was not good. There was no way you could say why this
>>quality was no good. You just felt it."
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>>An essay by Roger Scruton entitled "Beauty and Desecration"
>>explains as well as anything I've read "why this quality was no good."
>>The following excerpt suggests where to look for the answer:
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>>"But why is beauty a value? It is an ancient view that truth, goodness
>>and beauty cannot, in the end, conflict. Maybe the degeneration of
>>beauty into kitsch comes precisely from the postmodern loss of
>>truthfulness, and with it the loss of moral direction. That is the message
>>of such early modernists as Eliot, Barber and Stevens, and it is a
>>message we need to listen to."
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>>Scruton traces the change in art from a goal of attaining beauty "as a
>>way in which lasting moral and spiritual values acquire sensuous form"
>>to art that aimed to "disturb, subvert, or transgress moral certainties."
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>>Scruton concludes, "We should take a lesson from this kind of
>>(artistic) desecration: in attempting to show our human ideals are
>>worthless, it shows itself to be worthless. And when something shows
>>itself to be worthless, it is time to throw it way."
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>>Seems to me that is also a message from the MOQ.
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>>For Scruton's essay, please go to:
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>>http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html
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>>Regards,
>>Platt
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