[MD] Why the quality of the modern world is no good.

[MarshaV]

Ron,

I'm with you, but would raise it to love of wisdom.   (I have always 
adored Socrates.)


Marsha





At 04:09 PM 6/25/2009, you wrote:

>Ham,
>You mean love
>-Ron
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>________________________________
>From: Ham Priday <hampday1 at verizon.net>
>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:40:19 PM
>Subject: Re: [MD] Why the quality of the modern world is no good.
>
>
>Platt, Carl, and All --
>
>
>On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:54 PM, John Carl paraphrased Mansanobu's 
>refutation of Reductionism:
> > Science taking Nature apart to try and understand it is like
> > a Dr. analyzing the beauty of a woman by dissecting her.
> > Where did the beauty go?
>
>To which Platt asked:
> > Not only where did the beauty go, but where did the beauty
> > come from? As usual, science has no answer nor any capability
> > of discovering an answer. Something besides quarks, leptons
> > and bosons is going on. I nominate the creative force of DQ.
>
>Platt also pointed us to Roger Scruton's essay on "Beauty and 
>Desecration." Scruton has some interesting things to say about 
>Beauty as related to the art world.  Here are a few that caught my attention:
>
>"There is a great hunger for beauty in our world, a hunger that our 
>popular art fails to recognize and our serious art often defies."
>
>"[O]ur human need for beauty is not simply a redundant addition to 
>the list of human appetites. It is not something that we could lack 
>and still be fulfilled as people. It is a need arising from our 
>metaphysical condition as free individuals, seeking our place in an 
>objective world."
>
>"Every now and then . . . we are jolted out of our complacency and 
>feel ourselves to be in the presence of something vastly more 
>significant than our present interests and desires. We sense the 
>reality of something precious and mysterious, which reaches out to 
>us with a claim that is, in some way, not of this world."
>
>Edgar Allan Poe once rhapsodized in a similar vein about Beauty:
>
>"We have still a thirst unquenchable, to allay which [man] has not 
>shown us the crystal springs.  This thirst belongs to the 
>immortality of Man.  It is at once a consequence and an indication 
>of his perennial existence.  It is the desire of the moth for the 
>star.  It is no mere appreciation of the Beauty before us - but a 
>wild effort to reach the Beauty above.  Inspired by an ecstatic 
>prescience of the glories beyond the grave, we struggle, by 
>multiform combinations among the things and thoughts of Time, to 
>attain a portion of that Loveliness whose very elements, perhaps, 
>appertain to eternity alone.  And thus when by Poetry - or when by 
>Music, the most entrancing of the Poetic moods - we find ourselves 
>melted into tears - we weep then - not as the Abbate Gravina 
>supposes - through excess of pleasure, but through a certain, 
>petulant, impatient sorrow at our inability to grasp now, wholly, 
>here on earth, at once and for ever, those divine and
>  rapturous joys, of which through the poem, or through the music, 
> we attain to but brief and indeterminate glimpses."  - [E. A. Poe: 
> The Poetic Principle]
>
>Depending on our esthetic sensibility, Beauty has substantial value 
>to us. Pirsig correctly pointed out that value is not centered in 
>either the subject or the object but transcends both.  This is as 
>meaningful a clue as any to the true nature of Beauty.
>
>To answer Platt's question, "Where does beauty come from?", it comes 
>from our sensibility to Value.  Specifically, it is our realization 
>that the substantive essence of our reality is beyond the finite 
>world of existence. Man's exquisite sense of symmetry, stability, 
>and goodness is the value of the essential Source from which he is 
>estranged.  The awe and rapture we feel when we are in harmony with 
>this Essence is imparted to the discrete objects and events which 
>manifest the uncreated source in our experience. This, I submit to 
>you, is what we sense as Beauty.
>
>Respectfully,
>Ham
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