[MD] Why the quality of the modern world is no good.

[gav]

nice.

--- On Sat, 27/6/09, plattholden at gmail.com <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: plattholden at gmail.com <plattholden at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Why the quality of the modern world is no good.
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Received: Saturday, 27 June, 2009, 1:53 AM
> My favorite definition of art:
> 
> "The only valid thing in art is the one thing that cannot
> be explained."
> 
> In that respect, it is the same as Quality.
> 
> All we can do by way of explanation is nibble at the edges.
> Your 
> nibbling, John Carl, is as good as any I've seen.
> 
> Platt
> 
> 
> On 25 Jun 2009 at 22:07, John Carl wrote:
> 
> > So you've set me to thinking.  Again.
> > 
> > What is art?  We do mean something definite when
> we achieve this thing
> > called art;  something special and different from
> our everyday expressions
> > and output.  When it rises to a certain level, it
> becomes in our minds and
> > hearts, art.  And it is recognizable by others.
> > 
> > I'm thinking of Leonard Schlain and his explanation of
> the way profound art
> > was an intellectual advancement in culture, a
> pre-realization of new truth.
> > 
> > I'm thinking of the way engineers and computer
> programmers feel when they
> > create structure that transcends the mechanical and
> pragmatic needs of the
> > day, and produces in its uniformity, regularity, logic
> and simplicity that
> > same artistic feeling.
> > 
> > Good art is rare.  I suppose that's part of the
> definition of the term -
> > rare excellence.  Art, as opposed to mere
> craftsmanship, possesses some
> > intellectual tickle to a quality brain.
> > 
> > 
> > > "There is a great hunger for beauty in our world,
> a hunger that our popular
> > > art fails to recognize and our serious art often
> defies."
> > >
> > > "[O]ur human need for beauty is not simply a
> redundant addition to the list
> > > of human appetites. It is not something that we
> could lack and still be
> > > fulfilled as people. It is a need arising from
> our metaphysical condition as
> > > free individuals, seeking our place in an
> objective world."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  The desert sky at night, my rose garden, my
> daughter's smile.  I see beauty
> > all around, art is an attempt to capture and hold and
> share the intrinsic
> > beauty of existence; as a response to the beauty
> experience, a creative
> > desire arises naturally.    It is a
> subjective response to objective beauty,
> > a metaphysical response indeed.    And
> perhaps the real reason so little
> > beauty is created by popular art in our world, is that
> so little is
> > perceived. The soul of humanity deadened by so much
> crap.
> > 
> > 
> > Depending on our esthetic sensibility, Beauty has
> substantial value to us.
> > > Pirsig correctly pointed out that value is not
> centered in either the
> > > subject or the object but transcends both. 
> This is as meaningful a clue as
> > > any to the true nature of Beauty.
> > >
> > > To answer Platt's question, "Where does beauty
> come from?", it comes from
> > > our sensibility to Value.  Specifically, it
> is our realization that the
> > > substantive essence of our reality is beyond the
> finite world of existence.
> > > Man's exquisite sense of symmetry, stability, and
> goodness is the value of
> > > the essential Source from which he is
> estranged.  The awe and rapture we
> > > feel when we are in harmony with this Essence is
> imparted to the discrete
> > > objects and events which manifest the uncreated
> source in our experience.
> > > This, I submit to you, is what we sense as
> Beauty.
> > >
> > > Respectfully,
> > > Ham
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > I like that Ham;  I think I would only dispute
> one small part.  For myself,
> > anyway, beauty is not for me a realization of a
> substantive essence beyond
> > our finite world of existence.  Rather the
> opposite.  It is the realization
> > of an infinite harmony within my finite world of
> experience.  Right where I
> > live, in this moment.  (Well, not THIS moment,
> but you know what I mean)
> > 
> > J Carl
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > -- 
> > ------------
> > Doing Good IS Being
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