[MD] suffering

[gav]

to suffer constructively or destructively. that is the (existential) question.

--- On Sun, 28/6/09, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:

> From: X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MD] suffering
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Received: Sunday, 28 June, 2009, 12:04 PM
> Gav,
>  I think that is the message, not the avoidance of
> suffering.
>  it is said that desire is the root of suffering 
> the universe is composed of desire/
> 
> it only stands to reason that to master desire, is the
> key.
> 
> to live is to desire, to desire to suffer. thus life is
> suffering
> 
> wisdom comes not from the avoidance of desire, not from
> avoiding attachment , but the art of how we choose to
> suffer.
>  thus the art of how we choose to desire.
> 
> -Ron
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 6:00:56 PM
> Subject: [MD] suffering
> 
> 
> maybe we give suffering a bad wrap....
> 
> i know from my experience that suffering is often swept
> under the carpet - hidden. "i'm alright mate".
> 
> a couple of years ago i was going through a tough time - i
> had broken up with bel (whom some of you know) and i was
> without a home, couch-surfing, 3 days here,  3 days there.
> i was disorientated, extremely sad, and it began to affect
> my physical health.
> 
> you see i had no-one to just be totally honest with. i
> tried my folks but they couldn't go there - *they didn't
> want to see me suffer*.
> my angelic sister tried but she thought i should go on
> anti-depressants - she couldn't handle my sadness either.
> 
> my friends, well, my best friend was living in korea at the
> time and the rest of them dealt with pain the ethanolic
> way...i following suit regularly. but that was evasion.
> 
> it came back to bel, now married to someone else (with whom
> she is now expeting twins i am overjoyed to say)...only she
> knew that i was okay, fundamentally, and just needed to get
> it out. she gave me that permission one afternoon at my
> parents place. i broke. i just fell apart. and if bel hadn't
> been there my parents may have got out the straitjacket.
> instead she let me get snotty and blubber and she took me
> into town and she found me somewhere to live, and that
> apogee, or perhaps nadir depending on how you look at it,
> was the breakthrough.
> 
> by being allowed to suffer, to suffer freely, i released
> the energy that was making me ill, and i reconnected with
> the world, with new people, one of whom i still live with
> now.
> 
> it was suffering, beautiful, painful suffering that tore
> down my walls and let people back in.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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