[MD] Reductionism

[MarshaV]

At 04:39 AM 6/30/2009, you wrote:
> > > > >Krimel:
> > > > >As for the crack on flattery I can only say I have to flatter my self
> > > > > since don't have a peanut gallery to outsource that to.
> > > >
> > > >Marsha
> > > >Though I sometimes disagree with you, I enjoy your posts.  They are
> > > >intelligent and interesting.  And as long as I can occasionally shoot
> > > >some seltzer in your direction, I want a front row seat in your
> > > >peanut gallery.  Give me K-R-I-M-E-L.  Yea Krimel!!!
> > > >
> > > >[Krimel]
> > > >OMG, with even just a mental flash of you in a short skirt with
> > > > pom-poms, I can die a happy man.
> > > >
> > > >A special shout out to Dave, without whose assistance, this moment of
> > > > bliss would not have been possible.
> > > >
> > > >More seltzer, please! I think I am going to spontaneously combust.
> > > >
> > > >Nudge, nudge, wink, wink...
> > >
> > >Marsha:
> > >Leave Dave out of this.
> > >
> > >Back to my question:  I do not understand what you mean by spiritual
> > >state of consciousness, please define?   Can you define or explain
> > >what you are criticizing?
> > >
> > >[Krimel]
> > >A woman who cheers and does not sleep... I am now a happy man in fear of
> > >death.
> > >
> > >States of consciousness are some times thought of as levels of awareness.
> > >The only common thread I find in any of the several hazy definitions of
> > >consciousness is the notion of awareness. So we can think of sleep,
> > >intoxication, meditation, hypnosis, depression, catatonia, arousal etc as
> > >states of awareness. Spiritual states of consciousness I would say aim at
> > >awareness of some kind of experience beyond the self.
> >
> >Marsha:
> >Maybe it is simply awareness sans concepts.  Would you have a
> >complaint if it were simply awareness sans patterns?   Simply seeing.
> >
> >[Krimel]
> >Yeah sort of but I have ongoing doubts about whether this is even possible
> >much less desirable. Even awareness involves some kind of framework or
> >appreciation of context. I am suspicious of the concept of awareness
>without
> >concepts. Isn't even that a concept?
>
>Marsha:
>Oh it's possible, but concepts used to describe it are, yes, concepts.
>
>[Krimel]
>I see. But the question of desire lingers...
>
>Isn't always so?


Marsha:
Desire for what?  The undifferentiated?  The projection?  Or is the 
problem of desire, really a problem of attachment?




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