[MD] Reductionism

[MarshaV]

At 06:11 AM 6/30/2009, you wrote:
> > > > > >Krimel:
> > > > > >As for the crack on flattery I can only say I have to flatter my
> > > > > > self since don't have a peanut gallery to outsource that to.
> > > > >
> > > > >Marsha:
> > > > >Though I sometimes disagree with you, I enjoy your posts.  They are
> > > > >intelligent and interesting.  And as long as I can occasionally shoot
> > > > >some seltzer in your direction, I want a front row seat in your
> > > > >peanut gallery.  Give me K-R-I-M-E-L.  Yea Krimel!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >[Krimel]
> > > > >OMG, with even just a mental flash of you in a short skirt with
> > > > > pom-poms, I can die a happy man.
> > > > >
> > > > >A special shout out to Dave, without whose assistance, this moment of
> > > > > bliss would not have been possible.
> > > > >
> > > > >More seltzer, please! I think I am going to spontaneously combust.
> > > > >
> > > > >Nudge, nudge, wink, wink...
> > > >
> > > >Marsha:
> > > >Leave Dave out of this.
> > > >
> > > >Back to my question:  I do not understand what you mean by spiritual
> > > >state of consciousness, please define?   Can you define or explain
> > > >what you are criticizing?
> > > >
> > > >[Krimel]
> > > >A woman who cheers and does not sleep... I am now a happy man in fear
> > > > of death.
> > > >
> > > >States of consciousness are some times thought of as levels of
> > > >awareness.
> > > >The only common thread I find in any of the several hazy definitions of
> > > >consciousness is the notion of awareness. So we can think of sleep,
> > > >intoxication, meditation, hypnosis, depression, catatonia, arousal etc
> > > > as states of awareness. Spiritual states of consciousness I would say
> > > > aim at awareness of some kind of experience beyond the self.
> > >
> > >Marsha:
> > >Maybe it is simply awareness sans concepts.  Would you have a
> > >complaint if it were simply awareness sans patterns?   Simply seeing.
> > >
> > >[Krimel]
> > >Yeah sort of but I have ongoing doubts about whether this is even
> > > possible much less desirable. Even awareness involves some kind of
> > > framework or appreciation of context. I am suspicious of the concept of
> > > awareness without concepts. Isn't even that a concept?
> >
> >Marsha:
> >Oh it's possible, but concepts used to describe it are, yes, concepts.
> >
> >[Krimel]
> >I see. But the question of desire lingers...
> >
> >Isn't always so?
>
>Marsha:
>Desire for what?  The undifferentiated?  The projection?  Or is the
>problem of desire, really a problem of attachment?
>
>[Krimel]
>Between the herb and the berry I fear, at this point, (6 a.m.) there is
>little left of desire and all of the problems seem a bit hazy.
>
>Do I want to achieve a state of full awareness? I mean if I am me, playing
>the Lila Game, shouldn't there be a spoiler alert?


Sorry, I just landed on that square.  But I think it's pretty nervy 
for someone, who wants to state that all human experience is governed 
by synaptic activity, to call anything or anyone a spoiler.




>It is a pretty cheesy game if you can figure it out this far before the
>end...
>
>Oh crap! Perhaps the end is nearer than I thought....
>
>And, if you have figured it out, what's the point in playing?
>
>If there is some essence of me that passes to another life without my
>memories or the accumulation of "these" experiences, what's the point and
>who gives a crap?
>
>Not "me"!!!!  ...whatever the fuck that is.


Want to dance?


Marsha



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