[MD] The Quality/MOQ dichotomy.

[MarshaV]

Bo,

I just wanted to remind you that "The MOQ is not opposed to 
materialism as long is it is understood that materialism is a set of 
ideas." (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations)   Sometimes I just do not 
want to get into a discussion with you because I do not understand 
your view about "material" and have little faith that you can explain 
it so that I understand it.  So I just wanted to insert a reminder 
that both "material" and "material world" are mere static patterns of 
value, a set of ideas.  I am not denying a reality external to our 
minds, just that concepts about such a world are static patterns of value.


Marsha








At 08:59 AM 2/28/2009, you wrote:
>Marsha
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>28 Feb. you wrote:
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> > Material?  Material world?  Both mere static patterns of value!
>
>Can't you at least give us an indication who you speak to? As it's my
>post to Platt below maybe it's me, but as you obviously don't see that
>it is the intellectual level I refer to.......phew. Please go back to your
>easel  and stay there - long.
>
>Bo
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> > At 04:17 AM 2/28/2009, you wrote:
> > >Hello Platt
> > >
> > >27 Feb.:
> > >
> > >Bo before:
> > > > > See, social, inorganic and biological values are made into
> > > > > intellectual "signs" and "manipulated independently ...etc"
> > > > > exactly as SOM sees language as an abstract shadow of the real
> > > > > world. All this go against the very grain of the real MOQ that
> > > > > has relegated the S/O - mind/matter - distinction as intellect's
> > > > > value. I.e. this is all INSIDE the 4th. level  .
> > >
> > >Platt:
> > > > Probably a stupid question: "What else is inside the 4th level?"
> > >
> > >Nothing else than S/O patterns. But allow me a little "chautauqua".
> > >The very idea of the static levels is that they are built on top of
> > >the former, thus the intellectual level is like the proverbial
> > >iceberg with its intellectual value held above the surface by the
> > >enormous mass of the lower levels. Yet, from the top seen everything
> > >is intellectual ice. That's the point: all levels transform
> > >everything below into own value (what's above is "alien"). Living
> > >organisms do not "know" any inorganic patterns, it's either a fit
> > >environment or not.. Social organisms (humans) see everything as
> > >useful or useless regarding their common cause, and as said intellect
> > >"looks down on creation" through its S/O glasses and see it all as
> > >preparations for the emergence of mind. So it's no lack of content,
> > >all existence is a material world perceived by a mind - or a material
> > >world having spawned mind, dependent on being a materialist or an
> > >idealist.
> > >
> > > > If nothing else, doesn't that make the 4th level the exclusive
> > > > site of S/O metaphysics?
> > >
> > >Yes, the 4th. level is SOM - all of it, every last bit! Minus the M
> > >which is taken over by the MOQ, that now sees everything below itself
> > >as Quality levels.
> > >
> > >Thanks for asking. Platt
> > >
> > >Bo
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