[MD] The Quality/MOQ dichotomy.

[Platt Holden]

[Krimel}
> You call this reductionist. I suppose it looks that way from the Top
> Down.
> But it you start where is actually seems to start, at the bottom, it
> looks
> more like emergence, from simple phantom particles to sequoias.

Emergence from simple phantom particles to sequoias. How? Why? Shazam!
A miracle!

[Krimel]
> I see
> complex order emerging spontaneously from the simple and chaotic.

Order emerging spontaneously. How? Why? Shazam! Another miracle 

Both science and religion assume an orderly world. Science says this order 
evolved from the bottom up over time through self-organization and chance. 
Religion says this order came from top down from the mind of God who is 
eternal.

Top down or bottom up. Both based on miracles. Both based on faith.

How to decide?

"In the end, Occam's razor compels me to put my money on design, but, as 
always in matters of metaphysics, the decision is largely a matter of taste 
rather than scientific judgment."  --- Physicist Paul Davies

A third alternative: "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge 
of realty, THE SOURCE Of ALL THINGS, completely simple and always new." 
(Lila, 9 -- caps added for emphasis)

For my taste, the third alternative is best.

Platt