[MD] The Brujo

[MarshaV]

Thanks Ron,

Very interesting.  That explains why you've pegged the Zuni brujo 
differently than most.  -  My life was really ordinary, but I still 
sensed early, like you, that things were not as they seemed.  For one 
think, why couldn't you sew with a pine needle?   Thanks for sharing.


Marsha




At 09:32 AM 3/22/2009, you wrote:
>Marsha,
>He probably hung out in bars off the reservation,, handouts perhaps,
>drinking is frouned upon on most reservations.
>I mean to say that he was static from the Zuni perspective,Like Dan's
>example of the man who lived by the river, seperated from society, we
>recognize him as a dynamic character, from the Zuni view he was sort
>of a washed up relic of the old ways as most people in our own society
>would view a street person.
>I always have been kind of an oddball, because mostly I've seen that
>what most people take as "real" always seemed fabricated, fake to
>a degree. social construct.
>I used to run with a local Brujo, Ray. A retired school teacher, divorced,
>married for a short time in his youth, bi-sexual, a bard and brilliant writer.
>He rarely bathed, drinking cheap vodka and unsweatened kool-aid from
>a plastic jug he seldom washed, it had flakes and particles floating in it
>but everytimed he offered me a drink, I accepted. When I knew him he
>was in his sixties, did not work, collected cans to turn in to buy koolaid
>vodka and popcorn which he subsisted mostly on., and an occasional
>can of soup from the dented can store, he owned a delapedated old house
>I'd come over and help mainatain for him, plumbing ceased to function years
>ago.
>I learned alot about life from Raym, born without a middle name. traveled
>west with him in a beat up old ford truck for 400$ round trip,(gas mostly)
>we slept along the road, got drunk and high, sang songs, wrote poetry
>and taught me what it meant to truly be free while touring the natural wonders
>of this country. He taught me an appreciation for classical music 
>art and poetry
>he introduced me to Mr. Pirsig and his Books and philosophy.
>Society saw Ray as an old bum, people could not understand what I saw in him
>I thought he was the most dynamic person I'd ever met.
>
>-Ron
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>From: MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:04:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [MD] The Brujo
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>
>Greetings Ron,
>
>What of the fact that the Brujo was collaborating with the
>Whites?  That seems to me he was heading in a new direction.  I am
>not challenging you, I am curious how you are experiencing this
>episode.  What you have written below I have never considered, and it
>seems it could be accurate.  Have you ever considered yourself an
>oddball, meaning moving against the wind?  Was that just a matter of
>being left behind or dancing to a different set of drums?  So what
>was the situation for the Brujo?
>
>
>Marsha
>
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>At 06:14 AM 3/21/2009, you wrote:
> >Marsha,
> >The Brujo was not some brash individual trying to bring DQ to Zuni society,
> >he was the straggeler, the most static of the tribe, he hadn't a
> >place in their society
> >anymore so he resorted to peeping in windows to find out what was going on
> >in the community. The tribe council, by making a place for him
> >within their government
> >giving him the cutting edge power once again, broke his power as he thought,
> >but what the Zuni did was place the position of Brujo at the dynamic
> >cutting edge
> >once more. The Brujo was'nt very happy about it at first, it wasn't
> >the old way
> >yet it was but redefined in a dynamic solution that restored his 
> worth within
> >the community.
> >
> >-Ron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >From: MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
> >To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:04:51 AM
> >Subject: Re: [MD] The Brujo
> >
> >At 08:32 PM 3/20/2009, you wrote:
> > >The Brujo,
> > >My freinds, was a dinosaur, a remnant of the old geneations. The dynamism
> > >lies in Zuni society. In the ability to graft the old ways with the
> > >new ways of
> > >the whites.
> > >The brujo, had nothing to do with the teaching parts of the story
> > >Pirisig told, the fact that the Brujo is touted as the vehicle for
> > >DQ bothers and infuriates me. Sometimes you guys are so off base
> > >that it's almost embarassing.
> >
> >Hi Ron,
> >
> >Please explain more, I can be pretty dense.
> >
> >
> >Marsha
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