[MD] Faith/Skepticism

[MarshaV]

  At 06:06 PM 3/3/2009, you wrote:
> > >Marsha
> > >Science is not an independent entity.  Who does science for its own
> > >sake these days?  Are you a gentlemen scientist?  I don't think
> > >so.  The underpinnings of science are corporate, economic, and
> > >political, all driven by the profit margin.  Of course you might add
> > >hubris to the list of supports.
> > >
> > >[Krimel]
> > >Science has suffered tragically for the past eight years under an
> > >administration whose central theme seems to have been, "we were told
>there
> > >would be no math..." Pure research has typically been funded by the
>federal
> > >government at the university level. That it has not been adequately
>funded,
> > >is a serious problem that the new administration seems committed to
> > >correcting. (It is soooooo refreshing to have smart people in charge for
>a
> > >change.) But again the problems are political not scientific. Of course
> > >science is not independent but the problems that you bitch about are not
> > >scientific, they are, as I keep trying to tell you, political, economic
>and
> > >philosophical. Try to keep up, will you?
> >
> >Marsha
> >Science is corporate, economic, and political.
> >
> >[Krimel]
> >So far in your three post sputter all you have done is restate my case for
> >me.
> >Thanks!
>
>[Marsha]
>Here's what you posted:
>
>Krimel:
>It is not a failure of scientists that politicians, economists and
>capitalists use and exploit the fruits a science.
>
>Marsha:
>My point is that science cannot be separated from corporate,
>economic, and political processes, and neither can
>scientists.  Scientists are not separate independent entities who are
>distinct from the failure.
>
>[Krimel]
>Are you saying that it's a whole system and it's all messed up? Because it
>sounds like what you are saying is; it's a whole system and science is
>messing it up.

Krimel,

I know nothing about a whole.  Science is a 'state of mind' which 
mutually interrelates with corporate, economic and political processes.


Marsha


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