[MD] The Quality/MOQ dichotomy.

[Krimel]

[Bo]
Right it says PREINTELLECTUAL nothing about pre-conceptual 
and in the  "preintellect/Intellect" dualism that this forms the right 
hand section is not "conceptual" but S/O (the subject aware of an 
objective world) 

[Krimel]
FYI, that crunching sound you heard a couple of days ago was dmb, handing
you your ass. And yet you still don't get it... DUH! Look, what happens
before the intellect kicks in and concepts are formed. Concepts and ideas
are not "things." They are distilled from our perceptions of the immediate
moment. They don't fit into containers they do not have desires and they do
not compete with each other.

[Bo]
Plato was one of SOM's founding fathers and his dichotomy was 
Ideas vs Appearance, the former the eternal element (to become 
objective) while the latter was the fleeting element (to become 
subjective). And when one equalizes "Ideas" with Static  and 
"apparent" with Dynamic one is completely lost.  I rather believe 
that the "Summary" Pirsig compared Quality to Plato's eternal-to-
become-objective and MOQ to the fleeting-to-become-subjective, 
but also this is deeply wrong and in contrast to Phaedrus original 
insight. 

[Krimel]
One more time, slowly: Ideas are fixed constant eternal this is Static, Bo.
The immediate present is changing slipper, unpredictable on this side of the
pond we call that Dynamic. Nothing it lost here.

> [Krimel]
> Right, Quality is percept, Plato is concept. Ever changing reality and
> fixed ideas!

[Bo]
Percept? Is that the same as perception? Or what is perceived?" 
At least Plato saw "the ever changing" as what just seem real but 
are mere shadows, while Ideas was the eternal entities that 
created the shadows. (The Cave parable)

[Krimel]
I went over this about three times yesterday in different ways. What you are
having trouble with here is the version simplified so that Poincare's six
year old could understand it. Quality is the dynamic ever changing immediate
continuous present. Concepts are fix, discrete and static.

Think about it.