[MD] Quality-as-pre-conceptual/MOQ as conceptual.

[MarshaV]

At 05:08 AM 3/14/2009, you wrote:
>Craig and Dan
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>13 March you wrote to Dan:
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> > To say t he laws of physics are the same on Earth as on Mars or as
> > they were when the galaxies were being formed, is not to make a
> > sociological statement about the comparative state of science among
> > Earth scientists, little green men & disembodied scientists floating
> > around billions of years ago. Rather it’s to say that the same laws
> > apply here & there, now & then. If astronomers discover a new galaxy
> > forming, they study it for clues to how our own galaxy formed. Â  Why?
> > Â  Only because they think the same laws will apply (i.e., interaction
> > between similar phenomena will be similar under similar conditions.)
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>In "young" Phaedrus time SOM's (intellect's) "O" part (objective
>over subjective) dominated and this was meant to kick its ass. The
>"O" premises is that there is a material world governed by natural
>laws, all observed by the human consciousness. This carried to its
>extreme reveals the paradox and confirms the Sophist's "man the
>measure" sentence. But the MOQ has no subjective leaning, it
>rejects SOM's "S" part as well and it becomes kind of
>embarrassing when Quality is put in Gravity's place proves that
>there was no Quality before Pirsig.


Greetings Bo,

Thank you for the explanation of your '???'.  Now 
I get that you were being sarcastic to prove a 
point.  Honestly I had no idea what you were on 
to.  All I realized was that you were butchering 
the RMP quote.  Now I think I understand, but I 
still think you are confusing the pointing to 
moon and the moon.  Quality (the label, a name) is a designation.

Marsha



>Which is true, the Quality Explanation - the MOQ - came to be with
>Pirsig and disproves the Summary's "Quality/MOQ" assertion.
>Great theories create new realities. Newton's created the Gravity
>Reality and Pirsig created the Quality Reality. However Newton's
>was just a small itellectual/scientific adjustment, and from that
>level seen it's obvious that gravity has been from eternity. The
>MOQ postulates the levels as major reality leaps and the MOQ the
>last and greatest reality leap possible.
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>Further it postulates the upper-level-out-of-the-former, thus the
>MOQ isn't out Pirsig's "mind" but out of the intellectual level and a
>person who has entered it's meta-level will see and understand the
>lower level's limited view, particularly intellect's and how its S/O
>repertoire runs into paradoxes regardless the "O-over-S" or "S-
>over-O". I know that Dan hate it when I criticize annotations in
>Lila's Child as if they are his, but the latter-day Pirsig is not up to
>his own ideas.
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>Bo
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