[MD] The MoQ, by Jove!

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

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> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:50:34 +0000
> From: craigerb at comcast.net
> To: moq_discuss at lists.moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] The MoQ, by Jove!
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> [ Dan]> 1) there are relationships, processes, distinctions that exist independently
>> of any conceptual patterns of them
>> contradicts
>
>> 2) In this plain of understanding static patterns of value are divided into> four systems: inorganic patterns, biological patterns, social patterns and> intellectual patterns. They are exhaustive. That's all there are. If you> construct an encyclopedia of four topics-Inorganic, Biological, Social and> Intellectual-nothing is left out. No "thing," that is. Only Dynamic Quality,> which cannot be described in any encyclopedia, is absent." [LILA]
> How can 1) contradict 2) when 1) talks about conceptual patterns &
> 2) doesn't?

Dan:
I see you've kind of butchered the 1) quote above which makes what you're asking ambiguous at best. If I remember correctly, Krimel said he thinks that there are relationships, processes, ect. that lay outside conceptual patterns of those relationships, processes, etc. I think it is possible, yes, but a moot point. We will never know unless we can conceptualize what is outside and then it'll no longer be outside.

That said, I think it is important to note that there is nothing you or I can talk about that is not a conceptual pattern. Even Dynamic Quality is a conceptual pattern as soon as it has a name. I think that's why zen demands we see for ourselves. We cannot be told of Dynamic Quality without losing that some "thing" that's Dynamic.

I see no contradiction.

Thank you,

Dan
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