[MD] Quality-as-pre-conceptual/MOQ as conceptual.

[craigerb at comcast.net]

[Craig, previously] 
> If you swing on a swing, there is a point where you will feel 
> weightlessness & other points where you will not. When Plato swang 
> did he feel the same? 
> Or was he not able to because there was no gravity then? 




{Dan] 
> I asked you for references concerning whether Plato formulated a law 
> of gravity. 





This misses the point.   Neither Plato (nor anyone else) needs a law of gravity 
(nor do many people know one) in order to feel what they feel when they swing. 

[Dan] 
> what you're really saying is that you believe so strongly in the law 
> of gravity that you cannot envision a time when it wasn't in force, 
> even thousands and billions of years ago when there was no law of 
> gravity. 

Not really.   I don’t think the final word is in, regarding gravity. 
It could turn out to be much different than we think.   (Gravitons, anyone?) 

[Dan] 
> I could speculate that since Plato did not fly off the face of the 
> earth and out into interstellar space (where he might have observed 
> galaxies forming), there was something like the law of gravity when 
> he was alive.  But that something like the law of gravity was not gravity 




This misses the point.   Neither Plato (nor anyone else) needs a law of gravity 
(nor do many people know one) in order to feel what they feel when they swing. 

[Dan] 
> what you're really saying is that you believe so strongly in the law 
> of gravity that you cannot envision a time when it wasn't in force, 
> even thousands and billions of years ago when there was no law of 
> gravity. 

Not really.   I don’t think the final word is in, regarding gravity. 
It could turn out to be much different than we think.   (Gravitons, anyone?) 

[Dan] 
> I could speculate that since Plato did not fly off the face of the 
> earth and out into interstellar space (where he might have observed 
> galaxies forming), there was something like the law of gravity when 
> he was alive.  But that something like the law of gravity was not gravity 

> in the sense you think of it. 

Why not? 
Craig