[MD] Science Wars

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Per western culture, Bo is correct and defining the intellecetual level as the value of the s/o divide is useful in this context. Where Bo and I disagree is assuming that the s/o divide
IS the intellectual level for all life in an evolutionary context. 
It fails because it takes anthropomorphic leanings toward cultural-centric assumptions about expereince by projecting our language structure onto it.
-Ron




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From: MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 6:35:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Science Wars


Greetings all,

Bo is correct in thinking it would be best to describe the 
Intellectual Level as the S/O level.

It seems to me that all these levels contain patterns that represent 
conceptually constructed entities of both the general and particular 
type, and that as concepts they are all a product of a post-s/o 
thinking.  And patterns in the Intellectual Level include the 
awareness of having separated subject from object.

OMG, that feels good.  Now it's time to go off dancing with a moon 
shadow for a while.


Marsha





Marsha




At 04:17 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote:

>Hello Will,
>
>It has been interesting to think about science, quantum this and 
>that, evolutionary this and that, genetic this and that, all 
>fascinating, like daffodils as yellow this and thats.  Science as a 
>general pattern is very large and powerful; it is an institution 
>capable of producing both benevolence and malevolence.  I am not 
>willing to judge science as being more than 'it is what it is', 
>patterns conceptually constructed and existing conventionally.  I 
>could never settle for the theories that science provides, and think 
>you, being a trained scientist, are a bit too prejudice.
>
>I sometimes wonder if Bo is correct in thinking it would be best to 
>describe the Intellectual Level as the S/O level, but maybe that's 
>just reflecting my own conceptual limitations.
>
>
>Marsha
>
>
>
>At 01:27 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote:
>
>>Hi Marsha,
>>
>>The big bang theory has some problems with it.  I think the
>>whole idea is based on our infatuation with evolution.  Because
>>we think we can explain why animal bones look the way they
>>do, we use it to explain everything.  I have presented by view of
>>evolution in previous posts.
>>
>>Tom van Flandern has a good article on the issues with the
>>big bang, showing how most data supports a static universe,
>>at http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/DidTheUniverseHaveABeginning.asp
>>
>>Don't believe everything those scientist tell you (I know you don't :-).
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Willblake2
>>
>>On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:24:20 AM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
>>At 11:13 AM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
>> >Marsha:
>> >
>> >The age of the universe would be shorter than the age of oldest stars. This
>> >contradiction implies that either 1) our measurement of the Hubble constant
>> >is incorrect, 2) the Big Bang theory is incorrect or 3) that we need a form
>> >of matter like a cosmological constant that implies an older age 
>> for a given
>> >observed expansion rate
>> >
>> >Hi Marsha,
>> >
>> >Or that there are/ have been more 'bangs'.?
>> >
>> >Andre
>>
>>
>>Bangettes? Do-lang-do-lang-do-lang...
>>
>>
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