[MD] Science Wars

[markhsmit]

Hi Marsha,

You may be right about the prejudice.  I feel that having had a scientific
training and now viewing that view, as you do, as patterns conceptually constructed
gives me some perspective.  I am saying the same thing as you are.
I wouldn't stop at science however, philosophy, art description, music 
discussion, they are all patterns that the brain creates.  It is what is outside
the brain, the heart, the body, yet interpreted by the body that interests me.
Science not different from philosophy or metaphysics.  They are all constructs.

In my opinion, by defining Quality and SQ, you are taking a very 
scientific approach to your understanding.  There is really no 
understanding, simply you interacting with everything else.  I believe
I am no separate from everything else, but am everything else.
I know this to be true since I feel it.  Can't explain it, however.

Keep building your understanding until you become comfortable with
it.  It can be understood outside of your brain.  You are not your brain.

Conceptualizing, by definition, is limiting.

Cheers,

Willblake2


On May 1, 2009, at 1:17:09 AM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:

Hello Will,

It has been interesting to think about science, quantum this and 
that, evolutionary this and that, genetic this and that, all 
fascinating, like daffodils as yellow this and thats. Science as a 
general pattern is very large and powerful; it is an institution 
capable of producing both benevolence and malevolence. I am not 
willing to judge science as being more than 'it is what it is', 
patterns conceptually constructed and existing conventionally. I 
could never settle for the theories that science provides, and think 
you, being a trained scientist, are a bit too prejudice.

I sometimes wonder if Bo is correct in thinking it would be best to 
describe the Intellectual Level as the S/O level, but maybe that's 
just reflecting my own conceptual limitations.


Marsha



At 01:27 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Marsha,
>
>The big bang theory has some problems with it. I think the
>whole idea is based on our infatuation with evolution. Because
>we think we can explain why animal bones look the way they
>do, we use it to explain everything. I have presented by view of
>evolution in previous posts.
>
>Tom van Flandern has a good article on the issues with the
>big bang, showing how most data supports a static universe,
>at http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/DidTheUniverseHaveABeginning.asp
>
>Don't believe everything those scientist tell you (I know you don't :-).
>
>Cheers,
>Willblake2
>
>On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:24:20 AM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
>At 11:13 AM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
> >Marsha:
> >
> >The age of the universe would be shorter than the age of oldest stars. This
> >contradiction implies that either 1) our measurement of the Hubble constant
> >is incorrect, 2) the Big Bang theory is incorrect or 3) that we need a form
> >of matter like a cosmological constant that implies an older age for a given
> >observed expansion rate
> >
> >Hi Marsha,
> >
> >Or that there are/ have been more 'bangs'.?
> >
> >Andre
>
>
>Bangettes? Do-lang-do-lang-do-lang...
>
>
>.
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