[MD] The End of Philosophy

[MarshaV]

At 10:56 AM 5/8/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Marhs,
>
>Wonderful to include you in this discussion.  Sorry if I use the word system.
>
>I believe, like Pirsig, that there are different levels of 
>interaction each creating
>its own reality (if you will).  For example, each nerve cell has its 
>own reality.
>The group of nerve cells creates another, which we call the mind (a 
>system).  In the same
>way, each of us have our own reality, but he group reality is 
>separate.  We cannot
>experience that reality in the same way a nerve cannot sense the mind.

Will,

Before I say too much I will need to know what you mean by 
'reality'?  It can be a tricky word.  And in case of the nerve 
cell,  and the group of nerve cells are you saying their reality is 
subjective?


>Perhaps the flaw is thinking that we can determine group reality, 
>which results
>in leaders thinking they can control it.  Adopting through insight 
>takes care of
>what is inside, but let's not stop there.

Wouldn't the quality insight lead to the best action?  Or what do you 
mean by 'let's not stop there'?


Marsha


>Cheers,
>Willblake2
>
>
>On May 8, 2009, at 3:39:25 AM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote
>
>Greetings Will,
>
>How many times can the pattern of reaching for quality be repeated
>before it becomes embedded in the social consciousness? Not another
>system!!! Exchanged through dialogue??? Not another system with
>this or that puny little dictator wanting to scurry to the top to
>define the choices. How about adopted through insight?
>
>
>Marsha
>
>
>At 01:11 AM 5/8/2009, you wrote:
> >Returning to the old way of thinking, the Upanishads, We can easily
> >get into a semantic
> >debate here. What is the difference between philosophy and so
> >called "mystical thought".
> >I believe that there is an agreed upon difference. Metaphysics can
> >easily become
> >ones own perception only, are we just a brain in a vat?
> >
> >The trouble with that for me, is, it becomes entirely personalized
> >and of no use
> >to social consciousness. What is good? Need anyone tell us? My
> >interpretation
> >of the metaphysical endeavor is to try to put together a system which can be
> >exchanged through dialogue. A group awareness, if you will, that is separate
> >from the personal awareness. I believe such a thing exists.
> >
> >Are there laws outside of our experience? Do we simply create the
> >world around us?
> >Which is a more useful way of thinking from a sociological point of view?
> >
> >I don't think these are new ideas, but perhaps worth another round.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Willblake2
> >
> >On May 7, 2009, at 4:48:12 PM, "Steve Peterson"
> ><peterson.steve at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > the end of purely abstract philosophy at least.
> > > but yes in a way most academic philosophy is becoming redundant as the
> > > existential takes precedence over the 'essential' (by which i mean the
> > > illogical idea of immutable 'real' laws, facts etc that are
> > > ontologically prior to experience).
> > >
> > > the existential is direct, dynamic, integrated,
> > > mythopoetic...philosophy now moves toward direct engagement:
> > > facilition over inculcation.
> > >
> > > philosophy become playful, creative, personal.
> > >
> >
> >Would you also say, "Pirsigian"? Or was Pirsig hopping on board an
> >existing trend in philosophy?
> >
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