[MD] The Road Ahead

[MarshaV]

Hello again Bo,

As you can see there is still some difference between our 
interpretation of the MOQ.  I do agree with you, though, that the 
patterns in the Intellectual level are the product of som.  The 
justification below still seems unnecessary, but when you have the 
time for a lengthier return, maybe we can explore further.


Marsha







At 04:10 AM 5/9/2009, you wrote:
>Thanks Marsha
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>You said:
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> > Hey Bo, Interesting review...
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> > http://www.amazon.com/Road-Robert-Pirsig-Anthony-McWatt/dp/B0027FG1K4/
> > ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1241790653&sr=1-1
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>I may use this to some more comments. (PS, wish you hadn't given so
>easily in to Ron regarding your second thoughts on the SOL)
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>MOQers.
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>A short visit.
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>I have just received Anthony McWatt's "On the Road with Robert
>Pirsig" DVD. As a documentary about "Zen and the Art ..."  the film is
>good, but in it RMP maintains the flaw that mars orthodox MOQ when
>he refers to Phaedrus in a level context and says it was a social vs
>intellectual struggle case, i.e. bigoted Mid-West US as "society"
>against Phaedrus as "intellect". This is clearly wrong, it was
>INTELLECT VERSUS THE BUDDING MOQ , i.e. the intellect-steeped
>Western Culture that tried to keep Phaedrus within its premises and
>when he didn't heed the warnings it's immune apparatus struck him
>down.
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>The mystery is why Pirsig maintains this flaw. If the goal is to avoid the
>SOL the cost begins to wear the MOQ thin, not many aspects of it is
>now "legal". And it shows, no one applies it on anything and that's
>because it is removed from its original goal and devoured by intellect -
>by academy. For instance the "immune system" analogy has to be
>skipped because the way he describes it it's clear that intellect and
>SOM are identical. SOM is not a pattern that has corrupted intellect,
>but its very "stem cell"
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>LILA Chap. 26 (my caps)
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>     "As long as you're stuck with the old conventions, insanity is
>     going to be a "MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE OBJECT BY
>     THE SUBJECT." The object is real, the subject is mistaken.
>     The only problem is how to change the subject's mind back to
>     a correct comprehension of objective reality."
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>"Old conventions" is SOM and inside SOM - or the intellectual level -
>the great offense is not being objective - .f.ex. not realizing that you
>are ill if hearing voices  - and intellect's means to maintain objective
>discipline - its immune system - is psychiatry. For God's sake all this
>psycho stuff is supposed to be SCIENCE and by default objective. It's
>obvious and in LILA he maintains this view.
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>     "Now, years later, his resentment against what had happened
>     in the hospital had lessened, and he began to see that there is,
>     of course, a need for psychiatrists just as there is for cops.
>     Somebody has to deal with the degenerate forms of society
>     and intellect."
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>See, he regards "cops" (law enforcement) as the social (level's)
>immune-system while psychiatry is intellect's ditto. And "degenerate
>forms of intellect" is when objectivity is violated
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>     "The thing to understand is that if you are going to reform
>     society you don't start with cops. And if you are going to reform
>     intellect you don't start with psychiatrists. If you don't like our
>     present social system or intellectual system the best thing you
>     can do with either cops or psychiatrists is stay out of their way.
>     You leave them till last. Who do you start with then? . . .
>     Anthropologists?"
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>See, he realized that any head-on attack on intellect - on SOM - would
>be futile so LILA's opening move had to be "camouflaged", but I'm
>afraid that even the anthropologic approach fails to make any dent in
>intellect's armor and the reason is that Pirsig's own intellectual
>component) identified his own original (intellect=SOM) interpretation
>as dangerous and de-fused it by making the MOQ just another
>intellectual pattern. As said a thousand times: Intellect is a MOQ
>pattern, not the other way round.
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>Bo
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