[MD] Northrop and the failure of neo-conservative free

[Platt Holden]

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From: "X Acto" <xacto at rocketmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 3:37 PM

Ron:

Hello Platt,
I think what is being said is that there is high quality in both ideas
and to use the best of both to form a better system.

Hey Ron:

Pirsig says that what has all but killed socialism is an absence of a
concept of Dynamic Quality. "It (socialism) has no way of
preventing  static economic patterns from setting in and stagnating
economic growth." (Lila, 17)

I don't see much quality in an economc system that stifles growth.

[Ron]
 By dogmatically clinging to
a purist perspective in regard to capitalism and current free market values,
you do not make a strong case for being open to dynamic quality.

[Platt]
I think Pirsig makes a very strong case for capitalism being open to DQ.
That's his main point for capitalism's superiority.

[Ron]
What plagues the free market
is what plagued the hippie movement, they make the mistake of casting off 
social ethics and morals
in the name of intellectual quality and any intellectual pattern that 
undermines social quality for biological
reasons such as greed is of low quality intellectual patterns.

[Platt]
I don't think greed is a biological pattern. As a rule you don't see 
organisms
fighting to acquire more than they need. Nor do I find capitalism violating
social ethics and morals because as an economic system is has provided the
highest standard of living ever known, both in terms of material well-being
and individual freedom.

Platt

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