[MD] Protestant Capitalism

[MarshaV]

Greetings Ham,

For Pete's sake, I've been saying for quite a while that for me each 
and every pattern is a conceptual construct, therefore it is of the 
human brain.  Purpose?   Security and certainty, not arete.


Marsha






At 02:05 PM 5/19/2009, you wrote:
>Bodvar, Platt, DMB, Krimel, John, and All --
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>
> From the start, this thread has been a forum for PROTESTING 
> Capitalism.  Am I wrong, or has the  theme not become "Protestant 
> right-wingers be damned"?
>
>Actually, I see no reason to tie Capitalism to a religious 
>denomination at all.  The fact that many "right-wing" capitalists 
>happen to be Protestant doesn't mean that there are no Catholic, 
>Jewish, MOQist or non-theistic capitalists.  Milton Friedman (a Jew) 
>was a follower of the Von Mises school of economics, a 
>capitalist-based ideology.  Jonah Goldberg (Jewish) and Newt 
>Gingrich (Catholic) are arguably today's best spokesmen for 
>conservative capitalism.  So why the Protestant twist?
>
>But since Bodvar now wants to turn the discussion into a pitch for 
>the Quality hierarchy (by redefining Intellect), I have a few 
>comments to throw his way.
>
>[Bo]:
>>No level can "check" itself, the 3rd. went all out in a social frenzy
>>whiled it was "leading edge", humans as biological organisms  (2nd.
>>level value) was valuable only to the degree they were willing to
>>sacrifice themselves for "the common cause". We still see it in the
>>social value-steeped cultures - particularly the islamic one - where the
>>individual has no chance if not part of the faith and the will to sacrifice
>>the highest good. It was not until intellectual value emerged that
>>individual worth and humanism gradually took precedence.
>>
>>But intellect is a static level and can as little check itself as 
>>the rest and
>>its relentless subduing of social value knows no limit and has caused
>>the said looseness and insecurity. Intellect's S/O don't recognize any
>>personal responsibility, we are either determined by our genes
>>(objectivity) or victims of social injustice (subjectivity) . Only from
>>MOQ's meta-level can the complete picture be seen, but this requires
>>the 4th level to be regarded as initially intended. As long as we want
>>the MOQ accepted by intellect's (=academy's) terms ... forget it.
>
>Rather than dismiss the intellect of academia, I think we could all 
>profit by standing back from the hierarchy and taking a look at 
>where it has gotten us.
>
>What I see from the descriptions proffered is a set of mechanical 
>cogwheels, like the gears in a 4-speed transmission system, running 
>from the largest (Inorganic) to the smallest (Intellectual ), with 
>Biological and Social filling in the gap.  Evolution starts by 
>driving the largest wheel at the slowest speed.  After our vehicle 
>has overcome inertia and is proceeding at a constant rate, it shifts 
>into second gear and begins to develop life forms at a more rapid 
>pace.  Another shift engages the 3rd evolutionary wheel and Man 
>emerges on the scene.  Finally, as we near the breakneck speed of 
>civilization, evolution shifts to 4th gear and Intellect drives 
>mankind to enlightnment, changing his perspective of the world ever after.
>
>To use another anology, all of the pins in a turnkey lock have to 
>engage in a specific order so we can open the door to reality.  The 
>point I'm crudely trying to illustrate is that, according to Mr. 
>Pirsig, this whole unfolding of the universe is an automatic process 
>whose consequences.are indifferent to man, his thoughts, values and 
>aspirations.  No matter how poetic your description of the MoQ 
>hierachy, it's a mechanistic paradigm that runs its predetermined 
>course inexorably toward cosmic "betterness", with or without man's 
>participation.  Notwithstanding Pirsig's emphasis on Value, am I the 
>only one who finds this scenario cold, unyielding, and inhuman?
>
>Thanks for hearing me out.
>
>--Ham
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The self is a thought-flow of ever-changing, interrelated and 
interconnected, inorganic, biological, social and intellectual, 
static patterns of value responding to Dynamic Quality.

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