[MD] Arlo's Rant and 3rd levels

[MarshaV]

Greetings John,

Yes, to see the levels in relation to Quality.  Bo would say we need 
a new level to represent the MOQ point-of-view, but I am not sure 
that is necessary if we understand the levels in relation to 
Quality/DQ, then it's all there for the experiencing.

Pablo Neruda was a wonderful poet, a wise man, a shaman.


Marsha






At 06:55 PM 5/19/2009, you wrote:
>Greetings Marsha,
>As  was dropping off to sleep last night, yours was the post that most
>intrigued because of another ephiphany I'd had yesterday.  (Yesterday was
>very epiphianious for me)
>
>
>[Marsha]
>
>Question:  Why does it seem that most discussions involving the levels end
>in conflict?   Do the levels represent THE TRUTH?
>
>[Me]
>
>And I didn't get much motivation to share this other epiphany I had, because
>Platt stole my thunder...
>
>[Platt]
>
>I think it is good to keep in mind that no matter how strongly we believe
>that our way of viewing the world and obtaining knowledge is correct,
>our belief ultimately rests on a foundation of faith that has no bottom.
>That goes for the MOQ, too, although "Some things are better than
>others" is a fairly solid foundation compared to most.
>
>[Me again]
>
>My epiphany is that we are not coming together to form the perfect
>metaphysics, we are coming together to form the BEST metaphysics.
>  Perfection doesn't exist, but the best is always real.  That's what a
>quality metaphysics is.
>
>The other idea I've been turning over in my brain is that I see how
>important it is to see the different levels in their relation to Quality
>rather than just their relations to each other.  That is, upon whatever
>level you are looking at, don't ask yourself how your intellectual patterns
>can best conquer social patterns; don't ask how a certain social systems
>successfully dominates biological patterns.  Ask yourself rather, of your
>social and intellectual systems, how GOOD they are, in the faith (as Platt
>describes it) that Quality is real.  And being real, it is equally real on
>every level and thus immune to hierarchical dominance games.
>
>I have no idea if that is a true insight.  But I do have faith that it is a
>good one.  Thanks for triggering so many good thoughts.
>
>Oh yeah, thanks for the Pablo Neruda posts too.  I really enjoyed them and
>forwarded them to my three teenage daughters and they thought I was cool.
>  What gratification for an old dad.
>
>John
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The self is a thought-flow of ever-changing, interrelated and 
interconnected, inorganic, biological, social and intellectual, 
static patterns of value responding to Dynamic Quality.

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