[MD] Is it serious?

[MarshaV]

Will,

I do not see any problems with the MOQ as it is, it is perfect.   The 
conflict seems to be one of interpretation and getting caught within 
the patterns.  imho.   I love your last paragraph, it is wonderful, 
but I could be content being the moon.


Marsha




At 11:22 PM 5/19/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Marsha,
>
>I hadn't thought of the words in that way before.
>
>Nice.
>
>Yes, letting go of self, of the ego, of self consciousness.  The attainment
>of truth, liberation, as the Upanishads, Buddha, Taoism, Zen, would all
>claim.  I believe in that and am working towards that too.
>
>I would seem from recent interpretations of MoQ (which is obviously
>still in the making) that such release is not consistent with this
>philosophy.  In fact the claim is we are subject to group behavior
>not individual expression.
>
>But, as Pirsig has said in interviews, MoQ is waiting for the next
>independent thinker, to carry it along.  It would seem Pirsig is
>waiting as well.  Plato had his academy, current philosophies have
>the Internet.  Much more powerful and capable of generating
>a synthesis of ideas, and even new ones, if there is actually
>something new under the sun.  What an opportunity!
>
>Me, I want to live from the inside out, not the outside in; I want to
>radiate, not absorb, , I wantto be a sun, not a black hole, I want to be
>responsible, not a victim.  All this can result from freedom
>of the confining, needing, ego, "grasping and clinging" as a
>translation of the early writers of Buddha's teachings would stress.
>
>Cheers,
>Willblake2
>
>On May 18, 2009, at 12:58:47 AM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
>Hello Will,
>
>The song 'Suicide is Painless' seems to be perfect to accompany your
>Alan Watts piece.  It is about life and very playful  For me, it's
>always been about the suicide of the ego, 'and I and take or leave
>it, if I please', and 'The sword of time will pierce our skins'. The
>reference to time is ego. It seems full Buddhist wisdom relating to
>pain and suffering, and letting go.  I bet Alan Watts would have
>loved the song.
>
>Here are the lyrics:
>
>Through early morning fog I see visions of the things to be
>The pains that are withheld for me I realize and I can see . . .
>That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
>And I can take or leave it if I please.
>
>I try to find a way to make all our little joys relate
>Without that ever-present hate but now I know that it's too late,
>and . . .That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
>And I can take or leave it if I please.
>
>The game of life is hard to play. I'm gonna lose it anyway.
>The losing card I'll someday lay so this is all I have to say.
>That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
>And I can take or leave it if I please.
>
>The only way to win is cheat and lay it down before I'm beat,
>and to another give my seat for that's the only painless feat.
>That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
>And I can take or leave it if I please.
>
>The sword of time will pierce our skins it doesn't hurt when it begins
>But as it works its way on in the pain grows stronger . . . watch it
>grin, but . . .
>That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
>And I can take or leave it if I please.
>
>A brave man once requested me to answer questions that are key
>'Is it to be or not to be' and I replied 'oh why ask me?'
>That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
>And I can take or leave it if I please.
>And you can do the same thing if you choose.
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>
>
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>At 03:08 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote:
> >Bring back so many memories.  Thanks for that, it made my day!
> >
> >Willblake2
> >
> >
> >On May 17, 2009, at 10:33:51 AM, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >An analogy with music, my favorite song:
> >
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yc52NckGLs
> >
> >
> >Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 01:20 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote:
> >
> > >Grab a cup of coffee, relax, spend 9 minutes with Alan Watts "Is
> > it serious?"
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asqd1H4IluQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdeoxy%
> > 2Eorg%2Fvidplay%3Fv%3Dasqd1H4IluQ&feature=player_embedded
> > >
> > >Willblake2
> >
> >
>
>
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