[MD] Protestant Capitalism

Thu May 21 05:50:59 PDT 2009

Ron,

I'm talking, like Bo, of the explanatory strength 
of the MOQ.  It seems to me that if it is clearly 
stated that the Intellectual Level is of 
subject/object patterns it becomes very clear 
that dwelling in the Intellectual Level (no how 
exalted it seems) is not going to get you to the MOQ point-of-view.

Marsha

At 08:43 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote:
>Marsha, I think the point is clinging to that 
>entrapment. It takes a bravery and a 
>fearlessness to overcome it. As the Sophists say 
>and many others, excellence is a practice, like 
>the entrapment. We were taught to practice s/o 
>over a long period of growth like wise we must 
>teach ourselves and reinforce excellence over a 
>long peroid of growth. The impossiblity of 
>escape disolves with the practice of excellence. 
>I have found the four agreements works well 
>within the four levels of excellence and 
>reinforces their meaning. Ruiz says that by 
>slowly breaking the agreements made with the 
>small self and replacing them with the 
>agreements of Quality, through practice we will 
>be free of it. they are: Â  BE IMPECCABLE WITH 
>YOUR WORD Speak with integrity. Say only what 
>you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against 
>yourself or to gossip about others. Use the 
>power of your word in the direction of truth and 
>love.Â  DONâ€™T TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY Nothing 
>others do is because of you. What others say and 
>do is a projection of their own reality, their 
>own dream. When you are immune to the opinions 
>of others, you wonâ€™t be the victim of needless 
>suffering.Â  DONâ€™T MAKE ASSUMPTIONS Find the 
>courage to ask questions and to express what you 
>really want. Communicate with others as clearly 
>as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness, 
>and drama. With just this one agreement, you can 
>completely transform your life.Â  ALWAYS DO YOUR 
>BEST Your best is going to change from moment to 
>moment; it will be different when you are 
>healthy as opposedÂ  to sick. Under any 
>circumstance, simply do your best, and you will 
>avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret. 
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>MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> To: 
>moq_discuss at moqtalk.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 
>2009 5:50:48 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Protestant 
>Capitalism Ron, Don't you think Bo has a valid 
>point.Â  It seems impossible to breakaway from 
>the subject/object chatter which is entrapment. 
>Marsha At 04:17 AM 5/21/2009, you 
>wrote: >Ron > >On 19 May you wrote: > > > Are 
>you saying that Platt is on firm MoQ ground by 
>being > > anti-intellectual? > >Yes, the 
>greatest obstacle is the 4th. level because - 
>prior to the MOQ >- it was 
>realityÂ  itselfÂ  (like the 3rd and 2nd. and 
>1st have been in their >time) Platt isn't 
>"anti-intellectual", but sees the 4th. level 
>for >what it is, >namely a static level that 
>refuses a dynamic pattern to form a new >reality 
>The MOQ is of course no static level, but in 
>this particular >context it has a level-like 
>relationship with intellect. > > > Also, are you 
>saying that ALL intellectual patterns are more 
>moral than > > social patterns? > >Yes, 
>intellect is the highest static level, yet the 
>mere knowledge of the >dynamic/static context 
>(that the upper level is dependent the 
>lower >level for its own good) prevents 
>intellect from undermining its social >base. The 
>big question is if it prevents the MOQ from 
>undermining its >own base - intellect - I mean 
>if it can go on after being reduced to a >static 
>level? (footnote). > > > Essentially you are 
>saying that no one knows intellectual quality 
>unless > > they subscribe to your SOL. 
>-Ron > >That's right, but it isn't really "my 
>SOL" In ZAMM's proto-moq there is >just one 
>"static" (classic) level - the SOM - but it's 
>also called >"intellect" >so it was clearly 
>Phaedrus's original idea. And in LILA there are 
>many >indications that SOM is no foreign matter 
>that has polluted intellect, but >the very 
>article. > >IMO > >Bo > > >Footnote: >This is 
>the "intellect joining forces with biology to 
>quell society" >phenomenonÂ  brought one notch 
>up. The MOQ joining forces with >social value to 
>quell intellect. This would be a disaster and 
>why I at >times wonder about the MOQ. It's valid 
>as .... but is it GOOD? >Perhaps better let it 
>continue in its harmless "academical" vein, 
>letting . >Anthony McWatt and David Buchanan be 
>the administrators of 
>Pirsig's >legacy. > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing 
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interrelated and interconnected, inorganic, 
biological, social and intellectual, static 
patterns of value responding to Dynamic Quality.

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