[MD] An Introduction to Robert Pirsig's Metaphysics of

[MarshaV]

Hello Andre,

I'm doing the Krishnamurti circuit too.  David Bohm is his co-pilot, 
and the book is The Ending of Time.  I also had some dots connect and 
found Kalachakra Meditations which are meditations on the same 
book.  There is much talk of patterns and patterns of patterns...


Marsha





At 11:07 AM 5/28/2009, you wrote:
>dmb:Marsha quoted from Dr. McWatt's textbook, "An Introduction to Robert
>Pirsig's Metaphysics of Quality":
> >From 5.8.0. Differences Between the MOQ and Eastern Philosophy:
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>If I'm reading this right, making the switch from re-incarnation to one's
>descendants removes supernaturalism from the picture but retains a moral
>stance about future lives. The moral imperative is still directed beyond the
>present but it remains earthbound. Putting this moral stance within the
>context of the theory of evolution, I think, alters the way we think about
>the nature of that process. The aim isn't just a matter of continued
>survival but a matter of assuming some responsibility for ensuring a better
>future.
>
>Andre:
>Hi dmb, gav, Marsha, Ant and all.. interesting and I agree about the 'moral
>imperative' still being directed 'beyond the present',but what about our
>moral imperative in the present?
>As you may have gathered I am on the Krishnamurti-tour at the moment, having
>just read his biography. The close resemblance of his teachings in relation
>to Quality has struck me again and again. I'll quote at some length the
>second last talk he ever gave and since it also incorporates his
>(K's) notion of reincarnation/ rebirth it seems relevant to your
>observations:
>
>'What does it mean to die? To give up everything. Death cuts us off with a
>very, very, very sharp razor from your attachments, from your gods,from your
>superstitions, from your desire for comfort- next life and so on...So how
>can I find out, actually, not theoretically, what it means to die? I
>actually want to find out...It means to be totally free, to be totally
>unattached to everything that man has put together, or what you have put
>together- totally free. No attachments, no gods, no future, no past. You
>don't see the beauty of it, the greatness of it, the extraordinary strength
>of it- while living to be dying. You understand what that means? While you
>are living, every moment you are dying, so that throughout life you are not
>attached to anything. That is what death means.
>So living is dying. You understand? Living means that everyday you are
>abandoning everything you are attached to. Can you do this? A very simple
>fact, but it has got tremendous implications. So that each day is a new day.
>Each day you are dying and incarnating. There is a tremendous vitality,
>energy there because there is nothing to be afraid of.... .
>All the things that man has put together have to be totally abandoned. Will
>you try it? ...No, sir, you can't do it: your brains are not trained for
>this. Your brains have been conditioned so heavily, by your education, by
>your tradition, by your books, by your professors. It requires finding out
>what love is. Love and death go together. Death says be free...love says-
>there is no word for it. Love can exist only when there is freedom.... .'
>(pp128-9)
>
>If this is not a wonderful interpretation and teaching of:
>
>'While sustaining biological and social patterns
>Kill all intellectual patterns
>Kill them completely
>And then follow Dynamic Quality
>And morality will be served (Lila p 406)
>
>..then I do not know what is. And if it is not then I completely
>misunderstand Pirsig, Krishnamurti and Quality (which would be a pity).
>
>By acting in this way you serve the moral imperative of the present (and by
>implication) 'beyond'. It ensures we have a future.
>
>For what it is worth.
>Andre
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The self is a thought-flow of ever-changing, interrelated and 
interconnected, inorganic, biological, social and intellectual, 
static patterns of value responding to Dynamic Quality.

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