[MD] neener neener

[Ian Glendinning]

John, Steve, Mark,

OK emotional is a loaded word. But the inter-human "bond" - love,
unconditionalish, as Mark reminds us - is the activity that we
experience first at the genetic / biological family end, and gradually
at the humanity (and beyond) end of the scale - the social patterns,
until at some point we discover the value of objective "SOMist"
patterns ...

We can (and have) spend years debating the words above in the language
of our preferred traditions on any timescale we choose..

But John's Nee-Nah Nee-Nah (excuse the transatlantic translation)
point .... is correct.

This is kindergarten ... intellectually.
Not that we should be "knocking" kindergarten - we could learn a lot,
and some never get there :-)

Regards
Ian



On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:45 AM, Steven Peterson
<peterson.steve at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I already disagreed with you about emotions today, but since I know
> how much you enjoy disagreeing, I'll make your evening.
>
> SOM as metaphysics is a branch of philosophy. Metaphysics is just one
> sort of philosophical activity, and philosophy is just one sort of
> intellectual activity.  Philosophy of the SOM sort is not the gateway
> to intellect.
>
> You may be right that making distinctions between self and other are
> fundamental to intellect, but the fact that a person talks about
> subjects and objects does not imply that this person is engaging in
> metaphysics of any kind. Metaphysics is philosophy. Most people don't
> spend much if any time doing philosophy, but all people (withe the
> exception of the mentally impaired) engage in some intellectual
> activity.
>
> Best,
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:24 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
>> SOM evolves from mammalian bonding.     This explains its world-wide
>> prevalence - it is the bedrock emotional basis of our being.  We all
>> experience a sophisticated otherness in our transition from nurture to wean
>> - a relationship reinforced by the biological will to survive - but
>> independent of it.  The mother forces the child to suffer - accompanied by
>> emotionally transmitted signs of disapproval - butting away, the child must
>> forage for food on its own.  The bedrock relationship of self/other is
>> created with emotional ties that make it seem to us universal and
>> fundamental.
>>
>>
>> It is only through sophisticated objective analysis of this view which
>> creates the rudimentary beginning of what we MoQists call, the 4th level.
>> SOM is the entryway to the 4th level of being, and for those who go no
>> further deem it everything.
>>
>>
>> When actually,  its just... kindergarten.
>>
>>
>> Neen-er, neen-er, neee--e--n-er
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