[MD] what do we mean by "real"?

X Acto xacto at rocketmail.com
Tue Nov 10 11:41:10 PST 2009


Often the term "real" is used here on the discuss
in context of the self is not "real" or objective reality
is not "real". What do we mean when we say this?
It is used as if it had a refferent to compare to, when
the only referent is an outdated objective concept of 
the meaning.

wiki states of the term "reality"-
"The term reality first appeared in the English language in 1550, 
originally a legal term in the sense of "fixed property."[2] 
It originated from the Modern Latin term realitatem, which was 
from Late Latin realis; the meaning of "real existence" is 
from 1647 onwards.[2]"

So it seams, "reality" did not exist before the 1500's or the term
did not at the very least.

Wiki groups the term "reality" with the terms "truth" and "fact"
it says this:
"Metaphysical objectivism holds that truths are independent of our beliefs; 
except for propositions that are actually about our beliefs or sensations, 
what is true or false is independent of what we think is true or false. 
According to some trends in philosophy, such as postmodernism/post-structuralism, 
truth is subjective. When two or more individuals agree upon the interpretation 
and experience of a particular event, a consensus about an event and its 
experience begins to be formed. This being common to a few individuals or 
a larger group, then becomes the "truth" as seen and agreed upon by a 
certain set of people — the consensus reality. Thus one particular 
group may have a certain set of agreed-upon truths, while another 
group might have a different set. This allows different communities 
and societies to have very different notions of reality and truth 
about the external world."

But what does this mean to the follower of MoQ? where experience
is "reality". The experience of sitting on a hot stove , a raw experience, 
What does this mean in the context of speaking about what is "real"?
In the context of saying that something "exists"?

For "reality" is a raw unconceptualized experience filtered through memory
and culture to be "understood". To say that something is not real, presupposes
a reality that can be known, which as a follower of MoQ knows, we can not.
Reality, in it's closest definition, are those concepts that have practicle consequences
in experience. Which is hardly an "anything goes" proposition.


      



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