[MD] Emotions

[Joseph Maurer]

On 11/9/09 5:57 PM, "mark_maxwell at talktalk.net" <mark_maxwell at talktalk.net>
wrote:

Andre:
Emotions are a biological patterns of value.
'The MoQ sees emotions as a biological response to quality'...' (Lila's
Child).
They have been given social meaning and cultural (social and intellectual
PoV's) interpretations. ( this may, in many instances lead to their
'complexity' as Ian says but I think the complexity is a matter of cultural
interpretation).

Hi Andre,
I think this quote confirms that I understand RMP¹s position, and If so I
agree with it.
Emotions are a biological response to biological quality, social quality,
and intellectual quality. Thus, the intellectually aesthetic of E = mc2 is
experienced as a biological emotion; the Church as a social organisation is
experienced as a biological emotion.

Such a huge repertoire of relationships, each eliciting emotional responses,
may appear confusing. But I think the confusion dissipates when the ancient
role of biological emotions is transplanted from the plains to the city;
apes in the city.

Biological emotion is at the core of it all.

Our very emotional need for God, or indeed any notion of certainty (1 + 1 =
2, internal angles of a triangle = 180 degrees, polar opposites), authority
(priest, president, teacher, the uniformed - office and street) and comfort
(parents, family) is our biological heritage.
I was thinking about those who may find this unpalatable, and it occurred to
me that objections to the position stated above may be reduced to a desire
on their behalf to avoid acknowledging what they are.

A question may be, Œare emotions a biological basis for quality¹?

All the best,
squonk


Hi Andre, squonk and all,

As I read Pirsig I try to get a sense of his feel for evolution.  DQ/SQ.  As
I read esoteric literature I try to get a feel for a seven-leveled evolution
modeled on the sound octave of differing intervals.   All imho.

DQ gravity identifies the inorganic level.

DQ instinctive procreation by cell splitting is the organic level.

DQ instinctive procreation by the penetration of the egg cell wall by the
sperm cell identifies a second higher organic level.

DQ Consciousness evolves from instinct and appears at the Social level which
I prefer to call the Emotional level.

DQ Consciousness-instinct evolves further to the Intellectual level SO.
Here any intuition of evolution stops for most of us.

DQ consciousness can evolve to a higher emotional level in consciousness
only e.g. heroes. 

DQ consciousness can evolve to a higher intellectual level in consciousness
only, super heroes.

These last two levels remain DQ yet are perceptible to heroes.  Heroes see a
hell of a lot deeper than a computer.  Heroes, like Pirsig, are able to bend
conceptualized words like Quality into metaphors and analogies so that we
all can get some idea of what they see, while it remains indefinable, and
confusing to the literal interpretations of the lower level.

Only the consciousness of heroes perceives the higher-emotional and
higher-intellectual levels. They use analogies and metaphors for
communication.  I feel grateful that heroes exist, even if it takes
centuries sometimes for the meaning of what they see to spread.

Imho  Joe 

> 
Andre:
Emotions are a biological patterns of value.
'The MoQ sees emotions as
> a biological response to quality'...' (Lila's Child).
They have been given
> social meaning and cultural (social and intellectual PoV's) interpretations. (
> this may, in many instances lead to their 'complexity' as Ian says but I think
> the complexity is a matter of cultural interpretation).

Hi Andre,
I think
> this quote confirms that I understand RMP¹s position, and If so I agree with
> it.
Emotions are a biological response to biological quality, social quality,
> and intellectual quality. Thus, the intellectually aesthetic of E = mc2 is
> experienced as a biological emotion; the Church as a social organisation is
> experienced as a biological emotion.

Such a huge repertoire of relationships,
> each eliciting emotional responses, may appear confusing. But I think the
> confusion dissipates when the ancient role of biological emotions is
> transplanted from the plains to the city; apes in the city.

Biological
> emotion is at the core of it all.

Our very emotional need for God, or indeed
> any notion of certainty (1 + 1 = 2, internal angles of a triangle = 180
> degrees, polar opposites), authority (priest, president, teacher, the
> uniformed - office and street) and comfort (parents, family) is our biological
> heritage.
I was thinking about those who may find this unpalatable, and it
> occurred to me that objections to the position stated above may be reduced to
> a desire on their behalf to avoid acknowledging what they are.

A question may
> be, Œare emotions a biological basis for quality¹?

All the
> best,
squonk
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