[MD] in defence of the "relative"

[MarshaV]

Steve,

How do you know this as other than an opinion based on you particular
experience and understanding of the MoQ and SOM?  Please not:  Because I say
so....    


Marsha






-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Steven Peterson
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:49 AM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] in defence of the "relative"

Hi Marsha,

In SOM philosphy, "the absolute" is whatever is regarded as the
ultimate basis of all being. If you want to apply such SOM terms as
absolutism and relativism to the MOQ, then DQ fits the bills as "the
absolute."

Best,
Steve



On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:40 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Isn't the category of 'absolutes' empty?  If so, then there is no
dichotomy.
> imho.
>
>
> Marsha

>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Steven
Peterson
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:24 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] in defence of the "relative"
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> I don't know if you read the lexicon I posted, but if you do you'll
> see that we are in agreement here. If vone wants to buy into the SOM
> "absolutist-relativist" dichotomy, then the MOQ could be viewed as
> taking both views simultaneously and thud denying the dichotomy.
>
> Best,
> Steve
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:19 AM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>> you asked for the absolute measure of the good.
>>
>> Dynamic quality is the absolute measure.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 10:12:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] in defence of the "relative"
>>
>>
>> Ron,
>>
>> How can you define pre-intellectual experience as good if it is
>> 'indivisible, undefinable and unknowable'?
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
>> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of X Acto
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:02 AM
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Subject: Re: [MD] in defence of the "relative"
>>
>> make that pe-intellectual experience
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 9:48:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] in defence of the "relative"
>>
>>
>> Ron,
>>
>> Do you know of an absolute measure of the good?
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
>> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of X Acto
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:40 AM
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Subject: Re: [MD] in defence of the "relative"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Marsha:
>> The MoQ Dynamic Quality and static quality arise co-dependently as stated
> in
>> the following quote:
>>
>> "The reason there is a difference between individual evaluations of
> quality
>> is that although Dynamic Quality is a constant, these static patterns are
>> different for everyone because each person has a different static pattern
> of
>> life history. Both the Dynamic Quality and the static patterns influence
> his
>> final judgment. That is why there is some uniformity among individual
> value
>> judgments but not complete uniformity."
>>   (RMP, SODV)
>>
>>
>> Marsha adds:
>> This seems to indicate that the MoQ is relativistic based on
> memory/history
>> (static patterns) and the spontaneity of the moment (Dynamic Quality).
> Both
>> are present and co-dependent in every event.
>>
>> Ron:
>> I don't think that can be argued, and it makes sense to me, the arguement
>> that really
>> is the contention, at least I think so, with relativism, is the charge
> that
>> "truth" and "good"
>> is anything you like. Now, as Matt stated this could be a
misunderstanding
>> of meaning.
>> As Steve pointed out Pragmatism is famously charged with this and the one
>> Pirsig addrress
>> that Matt feels was uncalled for.
>>
>> Now before we go any further, is this the subject of the discussion you
> wish
>> to follow?
>> because if not, and your interest lies in co-dependancy, then I really
> don't
>> think you
>> will get much disagreement. But on the notion that the "Good" is relative
> to
>> what you like,
>> then there is some discussion to be had on the difference of opinions
that
> I
>> feel is worth
>> getting into.
>> But on the subject of codependancy I think there are many who would
agree.
>>
>>
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